flew the seminole today

triple7

triple7

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...and that thing is a rocket compared to the warrior. what a blast. did the multi comm program at atp-manasssas. we were up to 5500 ft faster than ive ever flown before....did some VMC demos, secured an engine,plowed around the sky with one engine, and some other commercial maneuvers was wild. i can never get back in the pa28. tomorrow, we fly some more approaches in the sim, the go back out for more of the real thing. kick a$$. merry xmas to me.
 
You're making me want to finish off my multi! I did 10 hours in a 1964 Twin Commanche last summer, then had to stop because my instructor moved on to a bigger and better job.

I don't care what the statistics are on light twins--I felt much safer in the Twin Commanche than most singles. As long as nothing blows up between rotation and 400 AGL, you can probably handle it in that plane.
 
jrh said:
As long as nothing blows up between rotation and 400 AGL, you can probably handle it in that plane.
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or as long as it's not hot, or over about 4500MSL etc.
It's a fun airplane to fly, but I sure wouldn't want to be caught in IMC with an engine failure around here.
 
yeah, i was nervous strapping on a new airframe, but man, what an easy plane to fly. the sim scared me because of how sensitive it was....but the plane was awesome. definitely a blast. flew great on one engine. ready to see what its like to shoot an approach on one engine. it wouldve been nice to see a cloud this weekend, but its all CAVU or ice this time of year. was minus one when we picked up the ATIS today. cold.
 
triple7 said:
ready to see what its like to shoot an approach on one engine.
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Its easier than you think, just remember on your dead foot put your foot behind the rudder pedal and pull it toward you. I find it makes life easier.
 
ryanmickG said:
Its easier than you think, just remember on your dead foot put your foot behind the rudder pedal and pull it toward you. I find it makes life easier.
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why in god's name didn't I ever think of that. DUH!
 
What's up with the 'new millenium touchy feelie' stuff?! :)

"Dead Foot, Dead Engine Fool!"
 
Doug Taylor said:
What's up with the 'new millenium touchy feelie' stuff?! :)

"Dead Foot, Dead Engine Fool!"
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Exactly, if you have problems wrapping your head around that, you might have other problems. ;)
 
jrh said:
You're making me want to finish off my multi! I did 10 hours in a 1964 Twin Commanche last summer, then had to stop because my instructor moved on to a bigger and better job.

I don't care what the statistics are on light twins--I felt much safer in the Twin Commanche than most singles. As long as nothing blows up between rotation and 400 AGL, you can probably handle it in that plane.
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That is one heck of an airplane!! I've got 40-45 hours in a Twin Commanche and I've grown to love it!! It's fast, it has low operating costs (IO-320's, baby!!!) and you can throw alot in there!!

You're right, though - that first couple of seconds in the climb (doesn't take you long to get to 400 AGL - unless you're in Alamagordo in the summer and DA is 9200 feet . . . :rawk:) can really keep you on your toes!!
 
It's a sweet plane, but man, my leg and butt were sore after a day of engine-out procedures ... Yeah, I need to get my skinny arse to the gym. :eek:
 
triple7 said:
...and that thing is a rocket compared to the warrior. what a blast. did the multi comm program at atp-manasssas. we were up to 5500 ft faster than ive ever flown before....did some VMC demos, secured an engine,plowed around the sky with one engine, and some other commercial maneuvers was wild. i can never get back in the pa28. tomorrow, we fly some more approaches in the sim, the go back out for more of the real thing. kick a$$. merry xmas to me.
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Are you taking the ride with Mark Loudermilk?

-LC
 
The Seminole really is a lot of fun to fly. Single engine approaches really aren't too bad in the airplane. The sim however makes them kinda a pain.

I've got one review flight then on to my commercial/multi/instrument checkride in the Seminole (stage 103 for my fellow UND folks).
 
Doug Taylor said:
What's up with the 'new millenium touchy feelie' stuff?! :)

"Dead Foot, Dead Engine Fool!"
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That works fine until you get your first student doing an ATP add on who is military. You tell them that and they give you this funny look. The boys in blue (and green and gray too I would bet) are told to step on the good engine.

Low level engine failures in the Seminole suck, but are managable. I had a real one at about 25 AGL no runway remiaining. Thankfully it was cool enough out that I was able to climb out of it, come back to a crossing runway and land. One thing that I think no enough people teach about SE patterns is that if it is for real, fly straight for as long as you can to get altitude. I used to demonstrate to students how turning when SE (especially with the dead engine on the inside of the turn) sometimes doesn't work. Because the plane's Vs is less then 61kts there is no requirment that it show positive climb when SE. Add in 40 degrees C and a 4000 density altitude you would be lucky to get a 50fpm climb some days. That's why it's not a bad idea to brief an engine out the same way as a cessna take off. "Fly straight ahead, hold Vyse and look for a place to put it down. If it keeps climbing get to TPA or as high as it will go and then turn around for the airport."

I think the most fun I had in the plane was doing emergency decsents from 9000 feet. Not by the book, but leaving the gear up and banking 45 degrees and pitching for the middle of the yellow arc. If I was really on fire I'm thinking that's how I'd get down. Good stuff.
 
LostComm said:
Are you taking the ride with Mark Loudermilk?

-LC
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As far as I know I will be with him. we still havnt made up the schedule. pm me if you have a gouge for him. id appreciate it.

today was kickass. my leg is tired. did multiple engine outs at cjr (above 500 agl) on takeoff...fun stuff. the approaches werent bad, but ive got to learn how to use the rudder trim.
 
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