"Flagship" Pilots:

newty said:
Why doesn't a CRJ have an autopilot that cancels IFR, it does everything else for you.
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:yup::yup: LOL!!! That was freakin' GREAT!! :nana2:

Need to talk to Canadair about getting that as an option!! But, for now....blame Canada!! :D

R2F <-----CRJ-700 driver!
 
wheelsup said:
This is pretty funny, last time I was in Ashville I had a similar experience. ExpressJet and us boarded and taxied to the r/w to pick up the clearance out (field was uncontrolled) and we couldn't leave...because Shaniqua had picked up their clearance at the gate prior to boarding!!! ATC gave 'em half an hour too, hey we were gettin' paid so whatever!
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Picked up a clearance or picked up a release? I'm sure you know what happened to you, but first of all most ATC facilities won't hand out a release without asking "how long until you're ready" and they won't hand out a release with a 30+ minute void time unless they've been hitting the crack before going to work.

Something fishy with this story.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
...okay, obviously not and IFR rated pilot, but why can't planes land or takeoff if a plane hasn't xld thier flightplan?
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There may be no way of reliably figuring out where the inbound aircraft is, you don't want one aircraft blasting off while another aircraft is wandering around out there. So when a clearance for an approach is issued the inbound aircraft owns the airport environment until they report on the missed or report down or cancel IFR. Obviously his isn't true in a tower environment where you get positive control to the ground (and beyond).

"American 1278, radar services are terminated, contact tower on 119.08."

That the IFR flightplan was automatically terminated...
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It is exactly what is says it is - radar services are no longer being provide, but there is no requirement for radar for a plane to file and fly IFR. The IFR flight plan is still open - might have been what confused the original subjects of this thread (although Lord I hope not).
 
CFIse said:
Picked up a clearance or picked up a release? I'm sure you know what happened to you, but first of all most ATC facilities won't hand out a release without asking "how long until you're ready" and they won't hand out a release with a 30+ minute void time unless they've been hitting the crack before going to work.

Something fishy with this story.
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I dont know wheelsup personally, but i have seen him around on this board and he seems pretty legit. I think some ATCs just assume your at the end of the runway ready to go and they dont even ask, since thats the normal procedure. Now that probably isnt the norm, but i can see it happening.
 
blee256 said:
Have you flown a CRJ? From what I have heard the workload in a CRJ is more than most other airliners.
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Very true. The stereotype of the "easy to fly" CRJ is absurd. The CRJ is a hand full, especially if you're operating in icing conditions in the terminal area. The Boeing airliner I'm flying now is a hell of a lot easier to operate than the CRJ.
 
blee256 said:
I dont know wheelsup personally, but i have seen him around on this board and he seems pretty legit. I think some ATCs just assume your at the end of the runway ready to go and they dont even ask, since thats the normal procedure. Now that probably isnt the norm, but i can see it happening.
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I agree, but Atlanta center wasn't born yesterday, at the minimum the original aircraft would have been given a "void if not off by" time which would have expired long before they got their passengers loaded. Plus a departure clearance locks out arrivals as well and again, it's not like Atlanta center doesn't deal with arrivals and departures out of AVL with the tower closed on a constant basis.
 
CFIse said:
I agree, but Atlanta center wasn't born yesterday, at the minimum the original aircraft would have been given a "void if not off by" time which would have expired long before they got their passengers loaded. Plus a departure clearance locks out arrivals as well and again, it's not like Atlanta center doesn't deal with arrivals and departures out of AVL with the tower closed on a constant basis.
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I dunno. We were going into OAJ once and JAX center told us to expect a visual approach clearance close in to the field as an ASA flight had just called and requested release. They still hadn't reported air born as we were approaching the downwind. As we flew by the field it was pretty clear they were still at the gate. By the time we turned base (JAX was still expecting them to report airborn any second and clear in). We ended up doing 360s on the base leg until their void time expired (they had been given 25 minutes).

It happens.
 
BobDDuck said:
I dunno. We were going into OAJ once and JAX center told us to expect a visual approach clearance close in to the field as an ASA flight had just called and requested release. They still hadn't reported air born as we were approaching the downwind. As we flew by the field it was pretty clear they were still at the gate. By the time we turned base (JAX was still expecting them to report airborn any second and clear in). We ended up doing 360s on the base leg until their void time expired (they had been given 25 minutes).

It happens.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen - if you can imagine it then I'm sure it's happened somewhere.

But sit yourself in the controllers seat - WHY would you issue a 25 minute void time at anywhere but the most podunk airport in America? If somebody asks for an immediate release with a 25 minute void time why would you give it to them, you've just given away all that airspace and no way of getting it back, at a minimum you give them a 'released after void if not off by', so at least you've closed the window a bit. If I was a controller, and let's all be thankful I'm not, if you called and asked for a 25 minute void time I'd tell you to pound sand and call number one for departure - and I've heard plenty of controllers do just that.

If you say it happened, then it happened, but it's rare, it's not routine, and apparently theres at least 2 controllers out there now who will never do that again.
 
BobDDuck said:
I dunno. We were going into OAJ once and JAX center told us to expect a visual approach clearance close in to the field as an ASA flight had just called and requested release. They still hadn't reported air born as we were approaching the downwind. As we flew by the field it was pretty clear they were still at the gate. By the time we turned base (JAX was still expecting them to report airborn any second and clear in). We ended up doing 360s on the base leg until their void time expired (they had been given 25 minutes).

It happens.
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But - OAJ is in Washington Center's airspace!!:D
 
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