Fixed-wing to rotor-wing (helicopters)

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hmmmm..... lots to think about.

So agcatman: in your professional opinion which is more FUN to fly; helicopters/Rotor-Wing aircraft (NOT CHOPPERS
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) or Fixed-Wing aircraft??

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Hehe, well, first, it's Rotorcraft/Helicopter. As for the most fun, of course it's a subjective thing, but personally I prefer helicopters.

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I have also heard what you said about helicopter pilots hitting the end of their pay scale very early as opposed to fixed wing pilots waiting 35 years in some cases to max out on their pay scale. But when you put things into prespective, in todays aviation industry situation, not making the same amount as the fixed wing pilots make at the end of their careers isn't really making less money then them. Doesn't it sorta equal out if you make more $$ up front as opposed to someone who has to wait till the end of their career to make "the big bucks"

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Not real sure. I do know that the high end quoted wages for airliner type pilots is more than double that of helicoptering type pilots.
 
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Not real sure. I do know that the high end quoted wages for airliner type pilots is more than double that of helicoptering type pilots.

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You sure about that? I know a couple state police pilots that'll be making an easy six figures before they retire. And that's just a state job, then again, that's after almost 30 years.
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Okay, here's some input: Don't call them choppers.
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No different from calling a jet-powered aircraft a jet!!!

Is whirley bird better??
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but I honestly don't have any clue how feasable these kinds of jobs are to get. Is it possible to do it without the military?

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It's very possible. Only problem is the huge cost associated with the training and timebuilding in helos, hence why you see so many ex-mil in the helo field.

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Honestly, in my experience, the civilian helicopter market is dominated by civilian (non-military) pilots. One thing that I have noticed is that a civilian who DOES pay the big bucks to get the ratings is more likely to use it. In my experience military helicopter pilots often look for some other career once they get out of the military.
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Another big issue is type of flying. Not as many civilians as military get experience with sling loading, rescue ops, etc. The mil type get all sorts of varying experiences simply because of the nature of the job. Your average helo CFI working up the ladder doesn't receive this.

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This is true but there also is a flip side to the coin. Back when I was an instrument helicopter instructor I had several newly-discharged helicopter guys come to me to do their civilian instrument rating. These guys had been in the military for anywhwere from eight to twelve years. Yet they had no more hours than I did in my three years! And as a matter of fact some had less! No doubt there is a difference between military and civilian flying and I have no doubt that a military pilot probably experiences more in their one hour than a civvie does in three. But there is no substitute for total time and this can be a factor in the civilian/military discussion. For instance, when an insurance company decress that a pilot must have twenty-five hundred hours to be hired they won't make an exception for a military pilot who only has one thousand hours even if that thousand hours were all combat time in an Apache.

One other important consideration is the type of equipment flown. Civilians will almost ALWAYS start off flying recip equipment. That means throttle twisting, underpowered, sometimes "less than perfect" mechanical condition. I don't care what anyone says, flying ANY type of turbine aircraft is easier than a comparable recip aircraft. Nowadays the initial training for the military is done in Bell 206's. These are excellent aircraft no doubt. But I will bet my bottom dollar that it's a heck of a lot easier for a civvie pilot to go up than a military pilot go down in regards to aircraft quality. In my experience some military pilots will refuse to fly helicopters, or will be quicker to squawk helicopters, than a civilian pilot will. One company I worked for had a pilot who was ex-military and he squawked a helicopter and refused a job because the compass correction card had been lost. We each had our own assigned helicopter and when maintenance costs per hour where computed the military guy's costs were almost three times that of mine and the other two pilots. Now this wasn't because he was tearing up the aircraft. On the contrary he was always coming back from flying with vague "problems" that he experienced while flying. Honestly I don't think anything was ever found. But he was just used to having basically unlimited access to maintenance with (I guess) no problems. This, coupled with the fact that he had to go from a UH-1 to a recip Bell 47G5A (which he made bones about admitting that he hated and didn't trust) kept him always on edge and always worried that it was about to fall to pieces on him.

Now let me clarify my point. I am in no way putting down military pilots. But the fact of the matter is that there are good and bad military and there are good and bad civilian. I have met military pilots who had nothing less than scorn for civilian pilots and I've known civilian pilot who had a chip on their shoulders towards military guys. I'm telling you right now that both attitudes are f****d up.

I know some civilian companies which are run by ex-military and they prefer ex-military pilots. On the other hand I know civilian companies run by civilians and they prefer civilian pilots. In my opinion neither of their attitudes is fair. A pilot should be judged on their abilities at the present not so much what they've done in the past. I would have no problem hiring a qualified military pilot neither would I have a problem hiring a civilian pilot. Both came from unique training and experience backgrounds. Both SHOULD be qualified.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is this. A pilot stands his/her best chance of getting hired because of WHO THEY ARE, not from where they came. Personality and personability CANNOT be overestimated when seeking a job. ATTITUDE is everything. Obviously one has the required qualifications for the job or one wouldn't be applying. So, in my experience, for the successful applicant, WHO THEY ARE is more important than WHERE THEY'VE BEEN. And I believe that this is the case for probably ninety percent of the hiring businesses out there. Or so it would seem in my experience anyway.
 
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You sure about that? I know a couple state police pilots that'll be making an easy six figures before they retire. And that's just a state job, then again, that's after almost 30 years.
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Well, let's think about your statement.

Hmmm.

Would it be possible for someone to make six figures and someone else be making six figures, yet the second person's six figures is twice what the first person's six figures is?
 
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Would it be possible for someone to make six figures and someone else be making six figures, yet the second person's six figures is twice what the first person's six figures is?

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Yup.

100,000 x 2 = 200,000
200,000 x 2 = 400,000
300,000 x 2 = 600,000
400,000 x 2 = 800,000

HEY - math is FUN!!!
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100,000 x 2 = 200,000
200,000 x 2 = 400,000
300,000 x 2 = 600,000
400,000 x 2 = 800,000

HEY - math is FUN!!!
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And you are correct! You get an A you apple-polisher!
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About the money issue, it's all relative (to where you live).
Take my situation, I live on Long Island, NY which is probably one of the more expensive parts of the country ( I am not trying to show off its just a matter of fact, and b/c i live in an expensive area doesn't mean i'm rich it means that my parents spend way tooo much $$ to stay here ::end rant::)

Back to the subject about earnings. $100,000/year where I live for a 4 person family with even a second income of lets say $45,000 or so is slighly lower middle class. If your combined yearly income is $100,000 + $45,000 that would be $145,000/year which like I said before around my neck of the woods would give you a decent house along with some decent mortgage payments, 2 average cars with some nice $2.05/gallon gas to fill them up with, don't even get me started with property taxes around here. But you would still struggle at times to make ends meet.

While just a few hours away from here or to further my point a lot of hours away from here that same $145,000/year combined yearly income would classify you as the family with all them shiny things on they brand new truck (the rich family).

EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE!

Ryan
 
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