fish314
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AMG is a smart, smart man!
Fix to fix
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AMG is a smart, smart man!
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
BAW?
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Ahhh, so he's saying it's tough to just fly the airplane and maintain aircraft control while doing the pencil method??
///AMG
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The bar is low in primary
@ BAMCIS, your BAW will be much better if you just fly the T-34 with your right hand, via the trim wheel. Frees up your left hand to do other stuff. God I miss the simplicity of that airplane, though I certainly don't miss the speed....
If he switches to NFO primary, he won't have to worry about the aircraft control, and can concentrate on the pencil method all day long.
///AMG
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Then again, he will need to learn how to carry everyone's pubs, as well as doing a DD-175 and becoming a JMPS SME
C-182 flyer
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AMG, Why is a RAG student in San Diego at home on the computer on a Friday night? You better live it up now, Lemoore is not that far away.
The VAW and VR squadron guys live it up more than AMG is doing right now........
///AMG
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Wife's family is in town.....
mhcasey
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Man I started reading that a while ago and just thought it was way too heavy on journalist induced drama so I put it down. Vipers in the Storm is a hell of a book about employing the F-16 during the Gulf War if you want additional reading.
Hell yes I'm enjoying the Viper! I was supposed to start BFM this week, but got sick and went DNIF. Nothing like losing 6-9 pounds the week leading up to my first solo turn circle entry in a clean Viper. Get up for it!
With all two of their bombs.....
Or in the case of the Girls from Syracuse, with one mission with their GPU-5 pods, then it was the end of "fast-ass CAS". What they get for getting rid of their Hogs two years prior......
Knife fight.....one that thing the lawndart actually does very well.
///AMG
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Nice, saw that on the kindle ebook list, will have to check it out. Hope you feel better, being med down sucks.....pretty much like instant duty/SDO around here when you turn in the down chit.
Qutch
Question everything
Handbook of Aviation Human Factors p 13-15 - An AF UPT instructor developed an advanced method in the 60s of performing fix-to-fix that was faster and more accurate than any computer, and simple to learn. No math or geometry. Wind correction built-in. Never misses. AF ATC buried the technique for administrative reasons, it was never released into the general population. Study was unpublished. Pohlman now lives in Colorado, Tafoya now lives in Portland Oregon. alant7801234@gmail.com if anybody has a reason to learn more. Scientific gobblygook explanation link below.
http://books.google.com/books?id=nrtUgKzFhJ4C&pg=SA13-PA15&lpg=SA13-PA15&dq=tafoya+%2Bfix-to-fix&source=bl&ots=RvzmjA0goO&sig=--ioX6ojs6KJxEX4u5xGmXXwku0&hl=en&ei=xC7HTZqUHpDCsAPD-YidAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tafoya%20%2Bfix-to-fix&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=nrtUgKzFhJ4C&pg=SA13-PA15&lpg=SA13-PA15&dq=tafoya+%2Bfix-to-fix&source=bl&ots=RvzmjA0goO&sig=--ioX6ojs6KJxEX4u5xGmXXwku0&hl=en&ei=xC7HTZqUHpDCsAPD-YidAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tafoya%20%2Bfix-to-fix&f=false
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
That's certainly a lot of hyperbole which doesn't seem to match the description of the technique quoted in the link. Interesting that there was another technique, but that's really all it is -- another technique.
Perhaps in 1979 it was 'faster and more accurate than any computer', but that's certainly far from the case given current FMS and GPS systems (which involve no geometry, visualizations, memory, rate assessments, etc -- simply keystrokes to enter the desired destination fix).
Unfortunately, the HSI f-to-f is apparently going the way of ADF approaches, LORAN, Omega, and countless other instrument navigational methods which were once vital and now passe. I'm sure some old-head somewhere complained when pilots were no longer going to have to listen to the tones in their headset to simply fly a course to a NAVAID, too.
Qutch
Question everything
To: Hacker 15e - No exageration at all. The technique was faster than a computer because it took less time to perform the maneuver than it would take to program the coordinates into a computer. Demonstrations were given performing multiple fix-to-fixes that were so tight (close together) that the fix was crossed while still in a tight turn, followed by another fix, also hit while still in a turn, just to demonstrate the speed of the technique. Competing pilot/nav/computer teams could not compete with that. The demos were performed at multiple bases precisely because pilots did not believe it. You had to see it to believe it. No math. No geometry. No headings to establish. The Downside - almost impossible to teach to "experienced" IP's who were already indoctrinated to the "pencil method" and were looking for a "heading" to fly. UPT students picked up the technique in about an hour from the tiny group of Moody AFB trained IPs, and went on to smoke their regular IPs. But it was impossible to teach it to their IPs. That was one of the reasons it was never implemented - too hard to break IPs into the new way of thinking, without numbers, without angles or headings. And that's why the Institute for Defense Analyses, included it in the Handbook of Aviation Human Factors. It was something to see a lone pilot wind thru an obstacle-course of 10 close-proximity fix-to-fixes at 300 knots, in 3 minutes, without the aid of any computer or a navigator. I understand your skepticism, but that's why its in that book. It wasn't just another technique. It was pretty advanced.