Five by five?

Italianaviator

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Can anybody explain what this saying means, five by five? I was told that it has something to do with the clarity and volume of your transmission but I just wanted to get the actual meaning. I have heard three by three and five by five and a combination of both, ex. three by five. I appreciate your feedback and response.
 
Can anybody explain what this saying means, five by five? I was told that it has something to do with the clarity and volume of your transmission but I just wanted to get the actual meaning. I have heard three by three and five by five and a combination of both, ex. three by five. I appreciate your feedback and response.

Strength and clarity. Scale of 1 to 5 each.

Read you 5 by 5.

But to be concise about it, it's "5 by" or "5 square". :)
 
If your analog meter swung to the max of 5 per reception, that might indicate strength and clarity of 5 each was my guess.
 
5 x 5
Strengh X Clarity

IE.....If you say "Roger Victor what's your Vector", and I understand it perfectly but you are weak(quiet), I would say,

3 X 5

Vice versa, if you said the same and your transmission was loud and dominating, but your voice is garbled yet still understandable, I would say

5 X 3


It is a fairly antiquated system that is much more prevalent on Ham Radios and Trucker CBs. Nowadays, people tend to say "Five by Five" only in place of "Loud and Clear".
 
Five by five is most easily remembered by "loud and clear". Loud = signal strength (old radios (and still some specialized radios) had a meter that you could read this number by) and clear=how hard it is to understand someone (so far more subjective to the receiving person).

Thus a one by five would be low strength but very clear, and a five by one would be a strong signal but low clarity. (My experience is that a five by one rating *generally* shows equipment error on the transmitter (possible a mike) or the receiver (possibly the speaker).
 
It's how many bars you've got on your cell phone (yup, that's a five-unit scale).
 
We can turn it all the way up to 11 ???

The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and..

:rotfl:
 
The Wiki is awesome in explaining this. My FO and I looked this up on an overnight several months ago when we had the same question.

It also explains why we have 5 bars on our cell phones and explains the "digital cliff", which I thought was very interesting. ;)


Wiki said:
Five by five is the best of 25 possible subjective responses used to describe the quality of communications. As receiving stations move away from an analog radio transmitting site, the signal strength decreases gradually while noise levels increase. The signal becomes increasingly difficult to understand until it can no longer be heard as anything other than static.[1]


In voice procedure (the techniques used to facilitate spoken communication over two-way radios) a transmitting station may request a report on the subjective quality of signal they are broadcasting. In the military of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) countries, and other organizations, the signal quality is reported on two scales; the first is for signal strength, and the second for signal clarity. Both these scales range from one to five, where one is the worst and five is the best. The listening station reports these numbers separated with the word "by". Five by five therefore means a signal that has excellent strength and perfect clarity — the most understandable signal possible.


"Five by five" (occasionally written "'5 by 5", "five-by-five", "5 x 5", or "5-by-5"), by extension, has come to mean "I understand you perfectly" in situations other than radio communication. A further shortened form is "five by". Post-World War II, the phrase "Loud and Clear" entered common usage with a similar meaning.


The term is arguably derived from the signal quality rating systems such as shortwave's SINPO code or amateur radio's RST. Given that this slang spans not only generations but also a spectrum of communications technologies (spark-gap transmitters, shortwave, radio telephone, Citizen's Band (CB) radio, cellular among others) and organizations (hobbyist, commercial, many military branches in different countries), there are many interpretations in popular misuse. No definitive interpretation of the phrase can be considered 'correct' anymore.


This reporting system is not appropriate for rating digital signal quality. This is because digital signals have fairly consistent quality as the receiver moves away from the transmitter until reaching a threshold distance. At this threshold point, sometimes called the "digital cliff," the signal quality takes a severe drop and is lost.[2]



This difference in reception reduces digital quality to more of a nonsensical "Can you hear me now?" question. (The only possible response is "Yes"... otherwise there is just dead air.) This sudden signal drop was also one of the primary arguments of analog proponents against moving to digital systems. However, the "five bars" displayed on many cell phones does directly correlate to the signal strength rating.
 
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