Shot my lowest ILS ever on TUE. It was about 1 in the morning in Pittsburgh with 1000RVR and an "indefinite ceiling" I had never hear that term but basically I took it as there was no difference between the ground and wx. I could literally see one dot on the rabbit at a time, and I just followed them one at a time until the tires touched. It was awesome. My next destination was not as low but it was 100 OVC and 2000RVR. Piece of cake!
Fists super low ILS
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Looking4Lower
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jsb172 said:
They don't need to ask. They can simply read your first post in which you described exactly what you did!
Texasspilot
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Be carefull bud, nobody wants to die for a bag of checks or a box full of blood. I don't know how yalls companys work but I still get paid if I no-go due to weather or mechanical.
I would definatly revise my first statement.
I would definatly revise my first statement.
Mavmb
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Looking4Lower said:
Yep, really, you already said what you did! Is your job making you do approaches below mins? If so, I would tell someone in upper management and not fly until everthing gets straightened out. It is your life on the line, not theirs. Again, is your job making you do this? What you are doing is very dangerous. We don't need another statistic.
NORCAL pilot
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Sometimes I can't believe what people are willing to post about themselves online! At the college my brother goes to, a bunch of freshmen were posting photos of themself on "facebook", drinking (underage) in a freshmen-only dorm (no alcohol permitted). They all got busted. The internet isn't some secret private thing where only the intended recipients can see your words/photos/etc.
Be careful what you say, but more importantly, be careful what you do! The FAA sets the minimums as they are for a reason, and it is based on a lot of research and statistics. As they say "the rules are written in blood". Don't let it be yours!
Be careful what you say, but more importantly, be careful what you do! The FAA sets the minimums as they are for a reason, and it is based on a lot of research and statistics. As they say "the rules are written in blood". Don't let it be yours!
jsb172 said:
I think a lot of (us) freight dogs began as freight puppies! Being over enthusiastic about somethign difficult and daring is kinda normal at this stage. I had about one month of pulling this crap until I realized that it did not really make sense at all.
Here's another angle. If you are a freight guy bustin miniumns to get in with tight weather, folks like UPS and FedEx etc... they will be asking the other freight guys why THEY cant get in. Think about that. I have seen this exect scenario.
I dont care about if its unwise to post this stuff.. thats not as important as you ruining your life or your families hearts or your companies insurance or whatever, just cuz you are a MAVERICK
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I'm going to assume that jsb172 failed to accurately describe the scenario, that's all. We all know that an RVR of 1000' and an in-flight visibility of 1/2 mile just don't jive, so that must have been a typo or something. In fact, we should be able to surmise that the RVR was not 1,000' or he would not have even begun the approach.
Some people mistake stupidity for bravery - - but we're not those people, right?
Fly safely. Live long.
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Some people mistake stupidity for bravery - - but we're not those people, right?
Fly safely. Live long.
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mtsu_av8er
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TonyC said:
Or maybe he's just one bad cat, and we need to wise up!!
Relax people.
Last I checked as the PIC of the aircraft I am free to make my own decisions. Just becasue most of you wouldn't attempt it thats cool, but thats why I am me and not you. First of all my company didn't make me do anything, I don't work for that kinda place. Secondly, I was empty that leg therefore part 91 so I can start any approach I want. "I" being the important part there, not you, its my decision to make and i felt very comfortable doing it. Thirdly its obvious you folks aren't to familiar with the rules, visibility as stated on the approach plate is predicated as "flight visiblity" which can only be determined by the pilot. Don't get mad at me, thats the way the
FAA wrote it. If they pulled me over they would have to prove that I couldn't see 1/2 mile out of my own eyes. If they can't tell me what I saw out of my eyes, than surely none of you guys can. So dont even try to second guess me. I enjoy challenging myself thats just me, I was very familiar with the airpport, runway, approach, and the airplane. Other than the visibility the wx was very easy, dead calm. Therefore it was just a matter of trimming the airplane and ride down that glideslope, very very easy. Had it been 20kt crosswind, no way. So for all you guys acting concerned, thank you but i feel that according to most of your posts, you could care less. You just want to sound off on somewhat else's decisions and skills are based on what you would do, well you weren't there, I was. I am a very competent and responsible pilot, I made a decision that as PIC i felt comfortable with and just because you thought it was dumb or couldn't hack it then thats your decision, as for my decision I would do it the same all over again!
Last I checked as the PIC of the aircraft I am free to make my own decisions. Just becasue most of you wouldn't attempt it thats cool, but thats why I am me and not you. First of all my company didn't make me do anything, I don't work for that kinda place. Secondly, I was empty that leg therefore part 91 so I can start any approach I want. "I" being the important part there, not you, its my decision to make and i felt very comfortable doing it. Thirdly its obvious you folks aren't to familiar with the rules, visibility as stated on the approach plate is predicated as "flight visiblity" which can only be determined by the pilot. Don't get mad at me, thats the way the
FAA wrote it. If they pulled me over they would have to prove that I couldn't see 1/2 mile out of my own eyes. If they can't tell me what I saw out of my eyes, than surely none of you guys can. So dont even try to second guess me. I enjoy challenging myself thats just me, I was very familiar with the airpport, runway, approach, and the airplane. Other than the visibility the wx was very easy, dead calm. Therefore it was just a matter of trimming the airplane and ride down that glideslope, very very easy. Had it been 20kt crosswind, no way. So for all you guys acting concerned, thank you but i feel that according to most of your posts, you could care less. You just want to sound off on somewhat else's decisions and skills are based on what you would do, well you weren't there, I was. I am a very competent and responsible pilot, I made a decision that as PIC i felt comfortable with and just because you thought it was dumb or couldn't hack it then thats your decision, as for my decision I would do it the same all over again!
<shrug>
Since I'm not allowed to second guess you, I presume I can still "comment" on a couple of points.
Comment; I'd suggest you do a little bit more homework on whether or not the FAA has to "prove" what you could or could not see from the cockpit in order to violate you.
Since I'm not allowed to second guess you, I presume I can still "comment" on a couple of points.
Question; if what you say above is true, then why are you not allowed to start the approach (Pt. 135 or 121) when the ground report of visibility is less than the approach mins?jsb172 said:
Comment; I'd suggest you do a little bit more homework on whether or not the FAA has to "prove" what you could or could not see from the cockpit in order to violate you.
I think that you are incorrect in your assumption, but you are certainly allowed your opinion regarding our motivations.
I think that it will be interesting for you to review this when you have another couple thousand hours under your belt and see if you still feel the same way.
