FIKI Cirrus

roundout said:
You can get it. I was at the Weeping Wings factory in Salina a couple weeks ago and saw a 400 and a 206 there getting fitted. They have STCs for a lot of airplanes, more than I realized. There was an old Saratoga and a couple Bonanzas and Barons getting fitted, too.
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As far as I know, that's still not certified for FIKI. Its just like the TKS system that's on lots of SR-22's out there, for accidental encounters. But yes, the Cessnolumbia 400 would be much better off with a FIKI option from the factory.
 
roundout said:
You can get it. I was at the Weeping Wings factory in Salina a couple weeks ago and saw a 400 and a 206 there getting fitted. They have STCs for a lot of airplanes, more than I realized. There was an old Saratoga and a couple Bonanzas and Barons getting fitted, too.
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You can get it installed, but it's not FIKI.
 
roundout said:
Depends on the plane and the installation.
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The only FIKI TKS systems that they can install are on A36's manufactured after a certain date and a few Mooney M20 models.

Maybe an owner could get their install FIKI approved with a flight behind the that C-130 that they spray ice on planes with?
 
jtrain609 said:
The only FIKI TKS systems that they can install are on A36's manufactured after a certain date and a few Mooney M20 models.
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Just as I said. Depends on the airplane and the installation.

Maybe an owner could get their install FIKI approved with a flight behind the that C-130 that they spray ice on planes with?
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Maybe I'll suggest that to the guys at the factory when I go back.
 
I believe I read once that Columbia used to have a system where new owners were given a pretty extensive checkout upon purchase, including unusual attitude recovery (a Sean Tucker designed program I think).

Does anyone know off the tops of their heads the relative safety data comparing the Columbia/Cessna airplanes and the Cirrus airplanes? There will show a ton more Cirrus wrecks than Columbia/Cessna wrecks but I wonder how that works out on a per-capita basis?

Also - people will kill themselves in Ercoupes (Safest airplane in the world - won't stall fully or spin). Do you think that the mere presence of the chute attracts people who are less confident in their abilities? Does Cirrus suffer from adverse selection by getting a lot of people who say "Gee...I'm kinda unsure about flying, and a little nervous...I will get the Cirrus because it has a chute!"? Does Cirrus play to this crowd with their marketing more than they should, thereby creating their own problems? Most important - how do you correct the accident rates of the Cirrus going forward?
 
WacoFan said:
I believe I read once that Columbia used to have a system where new owners were given a pretty extensive checkout upon purchase, including unusual attitude recovery (a Sean Tucker designed program I think).

Does anyone know off the tops of their heads the relative safety data comparing the Columbia/Cessna airplanes and the Cirrus airplanes? There will show a ton more Cirrus wrecks than Columbia/Cessna wrecks but I wonder how that works out on a per-capita basis?

Also - people will kill themselves in Ercoupes (Safest airplane in the world - won't stall fully or spin). Do you think that the mere presence of the chute attracts people who are less confident in their abilities? Does Cirrus suffer from adverse selection by getting a lot of people who say "Gee...I'm kinda unsure about flying, and a little nervous...I will get the Cirrus because it has a chute!"? Does Cirrus play to this crowd with their marketing more than they should, thereby creating their own problems? Most important - how do you correct the accident rates of the Cirrus going forward?
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I am a big Cirrus fan, love flying it more than any other piston I have flown. And in the bold are almost the exact thoughts in my head also.
 
WacoFan said:
Do you think that the mere presence of the chute attracts people who are less confident in their abilities? Does Cirrus suffer from adverse selection by getting a lot of people who say "Gee...I'm kinda unsure about flying, and a little nervous...I will get the Cirrus because it has a chute!"? Does Cirrus play to this crowd with their marketing more than they should, thereby creating their own problems? Most important - how do you correct the accident rates of the Cirrus going forward?
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I think Cirrus sells a lot of planes to people's wives who are concerned about the safety of piston singles. They have an answer to the question and other manufacturers do not. Plain and simple.

The fact of the matter is that they go out and market people with little or no experience and wow them, and with good reason. The planes are flat out sexy. They look cool, they are quick, fairly efficient, wide and comfortable, etc.. The company uses this combined with grassroots marketing (demo-ing anybody, going to non-traditional venues to drum up business) and it has been working for them.
 
jtrain609 said:
I don't have any time in a Cirrus.

No time in a plane with a chute.

But I've got enough time to have developed something called common sense in an airplane.

Cirrus drivers have made a name for themselves with some of the stupid pilot tricks they've pulled.

You don't need to have any time in a Cirrus to read NTSB reports.
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Train, you know I'd supersize with you, but I think you're a little off on this one.

Pushing the stereotype that all Cirrus drivers are weak pilots who use the chute as a crutch is exactly the same as saying all regional pilots are spikey haired teenagers with no experience.

While in some cases both are true, it hardly represents the reality of either group.
 
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