Fight on the Flight Deck

Theotokos

Theotokos

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You are the Captain of a 777 flight from Dallas to London. There are two other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the second officer sits in third chair enjoying the scenery--the second officer is Arab and you're first officer--who lost a pilot buddy in the 9-11 crashes--is very prejudice against him--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your wife with her whole damned body covered in •rags."
The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the jaw. The first officer reaches back to hit him back but you tell him both to stop since "we are in an airplane and there isn't room to be horsing around."
After getting back to base, you are in you boss's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you were there, Captain--what do think should be done?"

A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended.
B) Ask that the first officer be fired (because he insulted the second offcer's religious coustom) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded)
C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again.
D) Have them both suspended
E) Have the second officer fireds (he threw a punch) and the first officer suspended for verbal abuse.
 
by the way I pick B. Why:

Well as wrong as it was to hit him, the first officer was in no way innocnet. If you insult a guy's religon and his wife and you end up on the ground, do not be supprised. The second officer in my opinion was just upset--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason. He does deserve punishment but suspension in my opinion. The first offcicer was way out of line and should be terminated for harrasment pronto.
 
Ok, if nobody else will say it, I will. Dude, you are really weird. WTF is up with some of these scenarios? I don't mean to be an ass, but come on.
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I'll just leave it at that.
 
I think I'd have to go with B, I mean, the FO was definetly just egging the SO on, Although I think that this scenario would be very unlikely to arise because 777s don't use a Second Officer. Who knows, maybe the "Second Officer" is just another guy jumpseating, although in that situation, if I saw that trouble was arising between the FO and the guy jumpseating, I'd just move the guy that was jumpseating to First Class if there were seats available.
 
I second what matt said. About 99.9% of people out there don't think of scenarios like this randomly. I'd say for your best interest keep it to yourself.
 
To bite your bait. I'd handle the situation at the lowest level.....in the cockpit and make sure it ends there. Everyone is too charged to run to the hall monitor (management) with every little pissant little problem.
 
How about this one?
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You are the Captain of a Cessna 152 flight from Buenos Aires to London. There are five other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the fourth pilot sits in third chair enjoying a cigar--the second officer is Arab and you're fifth officer--who lost a pilot buddy who just retired one day and never really kept in touch--is somewhat irritated and almost appears forlorn, but in reality has a secret drug problem and enjoys 10 yr. old boys--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your dog with her whole damned body covered in that....fur stuff!!"
The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the earlobe. The first officer reaches back to bite him back but you tell him both to stop acting like sissies since "we are in one of those little flying thingees and there isn't room to be horsing around."
After getting back to base, you are in your boss's assistant's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you may or may not have been there, Captain--what do think should be done? By the way--have you seen a grown man naked?"

A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended or promoted or slapped.
B) Ask that the seventh officer be fired (because he insulted the fourth offcer's dog and maybe a raccoon) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded by Hillary Clinton) and that you be fired.
C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again while wearing pants.
D) Have them both suspended, drawn and quartered.
E) Have the second officer fired (he threw a bowl of punch) and the first officer promoted for verbal abuse.
OR.......
F) Say to a real pilot the following words..."Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell...."
 
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How about this one?
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You are the Captain of a Cessna 152 flight from Buenos Aires to London. There are five other pilots on board. You and your first officer are flying for now and the fourth pilot sits in third chair enjoying a cigar--the second officer is Arab and you're fifth officer--who lost a pilot buddy who just retired one day and never really kept in touch--is somewhat irritated and almost appears forlorn, but in reality has a secret drug problem and enjoys 10 yr. old boys--begins harassing him. Here is the big comment that makes the second officer officer snap: "How do you do your dog with her whole damned body covered in that....fur stuff!!"
The second officer snaps and hits your first officer in the earlobe. The first officer reaches back to bite him back but you tell him both to stop acting like sissies since "we are in one of those little flying thingees and there isn't room to be horsing around."
After getting back to base, you are in your boss's assistant's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you may or may not have been there, Captain--what do think should be done? By the way--have you seen a grown man naked?"

A_ Ask that they both be fired or suspended or promoted or slapped.
B) Ask that the seventh officer be fired (because he insulted the fourth offcer's dog and maybe a raccoon) and the second officer be merely suspended (since his religious coustoms were offeneded by Hillary Clinton) and that you be fired.
C) Ask that they never be put on a flight again while wearing pants.
D) Have them both suspended, drawn and quartered.
E) Have the second officer fired (he threw a bowl of punch) and the first officer promoted for verbal abuse.
OR.......
F) Say to a real pilot the following words..."Yes, I am Wierd but God forbid if I were you....being you, now that would be hell...."

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Hmmmm, I would have to go with B. That is my final answer!
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--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason.

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This is a pretty open racial stereotype, you should be more careful with your generalizations.
 
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--I am sure Arab pilots have a tought time as it is--and with good reason.

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This is a pretty open racial stereotype, you should be more careful with your generalizations.

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I don't have much problem that I notice.....even though my heritage is from the east side of the Gulf. Though I do get my Army COs trying to get me to ask questions to captured insurgents, and my fellow pilots trying to get me to translate the words of the "lone gunman" yelling from atop the tower at 5:00 each day.
 
Well, if you hire the right people off the bat, you don't have to worry about the scenario.

There's no part of the CRM flow where it says, "Communicate your disdain for your crewmember...Check"
 
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There's no part of the CRM flow where it says, "Communicate your disdain for your crewmember...Check"

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After getting back to base, you are in you boss's office and he sends them out and asks you, "Now you were there, Captain--what do think should be done?"

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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

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Fire them both. One is making racist comments at work and the other is starting a physical fight in the air. Hopefully there aren't many people like this in the skys.
 
I'd go with that too.. fire all of em!
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just fire em all!

and i doubt that would actually take place since the airlines do a pretty good "weed out" with the psychology test!
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Dude, where do you come up with these scenarios? Are you for real? I'm starting to get a little worried. It sounds like you need to learn more about aviation before asking these kinds of questions.
 
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