FFS Boeing, now they’ve really stepped in it.
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Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
At this point it should just have a tail wheel on it
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Lund replied that Boeing is focused on ensuring something similar cannot recur and will “leave the who to the NTSB investigation.”
But that phrasing, suggesting it’s up to the NTSB to find out who did the faulty work, prompted a further objection from the safety agency as misrepresenting its mission.
“Boeing portrayed the NTSB investigation as a search to locate the individual responsible for the door plug work,” the agency stated. “The NTSB is instead focused on the probable cause of the accident, not placing blame on any individual or assessing liability.”
Huh?
Probable Cause of AA 587:
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the in-flight separation of the vertical stabilizer as a result of the loads beyond ultimate design that were created by the first officer's unnecessary and excessive rudder pedal inputs.
Sounds like they put the blame squarely on the FO.
But that phrasing, suggesting it’s up to the NTSB to find out who did the faulty work, prompted a further objection from the safety agency as misrepresenting its mission.
“Boeing portrayed the NTSB investigation as a search to locate the individual responsible for the door plug work,” the agency stated. “The NTSB is instead focused on the probable cause of the accident, not placing blame on any individual or assessing liability.”
Huh?
Probable Cause of AA 587:
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the in-flight separation of the vertical stabilizer as a result of the loads beyond ultimate design that were created by the first officer's unnecessary and excessive rudder pedal inputs.
Sounds like they put the blame squarely on the FO.
Nice cherry picking. In other words, they objectively conclude what caused an incident. Its not their job to punish or sanction whoever is at fault. That's what they mean by not assessing liability.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
We already know what caused it. The question is how and why. Seems to me Boeing gave us in 6 months what the NTSB will take 2 years to say.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
At over 2 years just to get the STC paperwork done for the engine cowls, after the design is completed.
I doubt we will see those aircraft. Any airline would be better off trying to get MAX 8s or 9s. Even better would be diversifying airframes to something that doesn’t create a black swan event every year.
Skåning
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///AMG
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I mean, in theory, that is what they are trying to do. Perhaps a little too much airframe diversity for their tastes though
Minuteman
“Dongola”
If Boeing is adjudicated guilty, they will be unable to enter into contracts with the US government by default.
I think a waiver should be granted only if some part of Boeing Defense moves under management of some entity outside the influence of the Boeing board.
I think a waiver should be granted only if some part of Boeing Defense moves under management of some entity outside the influence of the Boeing board.
Pilot Fighter
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The NTSB is not a regulatory agency and there is no discussion of a criminal offense. So, no guilt or innocence.
Boeing agreed not to disclose details about the NTSB investigation. A number of folks are saying that releasing your own evidence isn’t a violation of the agreement as they aren’t releasing investigation details beyond their own internal documents.
If they were releasing evidence of other investigation partners or commenting on the evidence presented by others I’d be cool if they were burned to the ground.
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
There is discussion of Boeing pleading guilty to fraud and not in connection with the leak. It’s all explained in the link provided.
Pilot Fighter
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Gotcha. Thought we were still talking about the NTSB investigation.
I’m willing to bet Boeing doesn’t lose a dime of military contracts.
