Few Air Force Aircraft Have New, Fully Functional Transponder

No need to have “surveillance” on government aircraft.

It’s right in the name what ADS-B is all about, no matter what marketing wank is published about it being for “safety”.

If it were for “safety” there wouldn’t be filtering of uplink targets and a “hockey puck” around “Out” equipped aircraft. It would simply transmit all targets all the time on the UAT frequency.

No engineer in their right mind would design a safety system that filters out targets transmitted up. Nor would they design a data transmission system from an unauthenticated source into a safety system.
 
Isn’t it amazing that the government can force a rule change, then give an exemption to its own agency fleet of aircraft (in theory)!?
 
denverpilot said:
Won’t need one. Military and some government contractors don’t fly under the Parts the rest of us do.
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We participate in the NAS, we also fly in the other 190 some countries on earth, and must be compliant with their regulations in order to get the diplomatic clearences required to use their airspace for transit (combat ops, black ops, U2, global hawk do whatever they want to of course) So ya we'll get some waivers here or there, but this issue has to be fixed and on an enterprise and aquisitions level it is somewhat embarrasing to be this far along without a solution, but hey it always is, you just get used to it.
 
Soku39 said:
We participate in the NAS, we also fly in the other 190 some countries on earth, and must be compliant with their regulations in order to get the diplomatic clearences required to use their airspace for transit (combat ops, black ops, U2, global hawk do whatever they want to of course) So ya we'll get some waivers here or there, but this issue has to be fixed and on an enterprise and aquisitions level it is somewhat embarrasing to be this far along without a solution, but hey it always is, you just get used to it.
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Understood. I almost mentioned that the real impetus to doing it will be buried somewhere in international treaties, but it seemed ridiculous that most here wouldn’t know that.

Still, the system, as designed, is not a safety system, it’s mandatory surveillance and information gathering for databases, and nobody needs y’all in that system. The kids in New Mexico who want the data, would just filter all of your targets out of their algorithms anyway.

It’s an unnecessary expenditure for the most part for the military, other than making controllers have to tag you up manually. You’re either squawking and talking, or you’re not, depending on the mission at hand.
 
denverpilot said:
Understood. I almost mentioned that the real impetus to doing it will be buried somewhere in international treaties, but it seemed ridiculous that most here wouldn’t know that.

Still, the system, as designed, is not a safety system, it’s mandatory surveillance and information gathering for databases, and nobody needs y’all in that system. The kids in New Mexico who want the data, would just filter all of your targets out of their algorithms anyway.

It’s an unnecessary expenditure for the most part for the military, other than making controllers have to tag you up manually. You’re either squawking and talking, or you’re not, depending on the mission at hand.
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To be fair the expensiture could be as cheap or as expensive as the DoD wants it to be. Every company in the mil industrial complex needs their tens of millions for every little thing they do on an airframe, process rewrite or computer system. Just remember that it's not real money and your heart rate'll go down.
 
I was under the impression the new Block 45 KC-135's were getting the integrated ADS-B in the new Avionics panel but I never heard for sure as I separated shortly after we received two of the Block 45's.
 
Drew88 said:
I was under the impression the new Block 45 KC-135's were getting the integrated ADS-B in the new Avionics panel but I never heard for sure as I separated shortly after we received two of the Block 45's.
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Ha and I've been hearing about AMP since the day I started 130 training, half a career later we're still on the round dials.
 
Soku39 said:
Ha and I've been hearing about AMP since the day I started 130 training, half a career later we're still on the round dials.
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I have digital representation of round dials. Somehow they think that's "glass."

Although, not to rub salt in the wound, we have ADS-B. I want to say since ~2010 ish?
 
If it's not used to kill people or to keep you from being killed, it's probably not going to make the top 3 programs in the wish list. The top 3 are the only ones that have any hope of getting funded. I can't shoot an RNAV approach, but I can generate a nearly perfect coordinate for an object on the ground with my GPS (and some other stuff). I don't have an ADS-B out, but I have IFF and I can see everybody else in the airspace using radar and Link-16. There's just no necessity to have it when we know it can be waivered. Even if we were told we couldn't fly in Class A there wouldn't be a whole lot of griping on the Tacair side.
 
More and more have been getting them the past few years. I operate a FR24 and FlightAware box (don't laugh at my nerdiness) and I've been slowly seeing the numbers of mil aircraft increase. If not ADS-B, they at least mostly all have Mode S txpdrs now, so we can pick up their position using multilateration based off their unique hex id. I was watching some Vipers out of ETAD the other day rocketing up faster than I could get updates on my box.
 
fiveninerzero said:
More and more have been getting them the past few years. I operate a FR24 and FlightAware box (don't laugh at my nerdiness) and I've been slowly seeing the numbers of mil aircraft increase. If not ADS-B, they at least mostly all have Mode S txpdrs now, so we can pick up their position using multilateration based off their unique hex id. I was watching some Vipers out of ETAD the other day rocketing up faster than I could get updates on my box.
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They kept forgetting to turn their transponders off before going into Libya. You could watch their bombing missions on flight aware lol
 
ADS-B rocks, if for nothing else traffic awareness.

Someone told me, however, that the "dirty little secret" of ADS-B as currently implemented is that the FIS data (basically everything but traffic "squits") gets severely throttled once bandwidth saturation occurs.
 
Richman said:
ADS-B rocks, if for nothing else traffic awareness.

Someone told me, however, that the "dirty little secret" of ADS-B as currently implemented is that the FIS data (basically everything but traffic "squits") gets severely throttled once bandwidth saturation occurs.
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Been flying with ADSB in-out (UAT) for the last 5-6 years. Love it.
 
Richman said:
ADS-B rocks, if for nothing else traffic awareness.

Someone told me, however, that the "dirty little secret" of ADS-B as currently implemented is that the FIS data (basically everything but traffic "squits") gets severely throttled once bandwidth saturation occurs.
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ADS-B is run by Verizon?
 
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