FedEx closing CGN, LAX, and ANC MD11. New system bid for all of the changes.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It happened. Our shop gave us a flight ops email about it.



And I assure you, it was a FedEx 777 plane.
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Was there any directions for the crews in the future? This happens more than people think when crossing runways are in use. Maybe it’s me being cavalier but the only reason it really gained traction is because it sounds like someone may have been listening to a frequency online or something.
 
ERfly said:
I don't buy into the Cutler/Turner/Comer doom and gloom DHL/Astar thing. That's just a narrative created to further their cause.

I don't think the days are as dark as some would make them out to be.
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Yeah, I agree with this as well. I’ve been here since 2018, and I’ve even seen it change rather dramatically for the worse.

The fact that I turned down United for this still makes me sick. But I’m almost 50, the other airlines have hired a crap ton the last few years, and this economy/political environment is insane. So basically I’m stuck.

That said, it’s not all bad. I’m almost halfway up the seniority list, and now that I’ve done my forced downgrade my schedule is pretty nice. If the intra-Asia flying got outsourced then I’d probably consider just starting over. I’m not spending the rest of my career doing night hub turns, that’s for damn sure.

Also, my wife and I have been saving like crazy and investing well (we have the added benefit of her having a 401k as well that we max out, and she also has a decent pension from a past career that starts in 3 years). We will be in amazing shape with my pension, and also I can very realistically and easily commute from Europe when we move there in a couple years.

While this company has gone downhill for us pilots, it sure does seem extremely secure. That earnings report last week was remarkably good. Hopefully once we have a contract, morale will improve.
 
phill1174 said:
Was there any directions for the crews in the future? This happens more than people think when crossing runways are in use. Maybe it’s me being cavalier but the only reason it really gained traction is because it sounds like someone may have been listening to a frequency online or something.
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Well, after the Potomac disaster, one would think it brought awareness to having TFC on the ND with the a low range ring present and pay attention to any yellow dots, especially when it shows +00 and holds relatively steady as +/ - 00 to 02. That means both descending at about the same rate and closure.

FDX is in a fairly constant turn until about 400-500 ft. AS would have a fairly clear straight shot view on a straight in final. ATC clearly screwed up, but I’m surprised there wasn’t crew awareness sooner on the AS side. Both knew about each other. And on crossing runways especially when landing both, always a good idea to scan that final path visually.



Lessons from Potomac should avoid any repeats, especially involving 121 airliners with TCAS and transponders.
 
This was all happening in front of the AS crew. I doubt it was as dire as the media has made it out to be. Worst case wouldve been a double, pilot intiated go around like we saw in PHL not long ago.
 
Welp, after what happened in LGA last night, I will be adding a note in my brief about “keep your eyes peeled for anything out of the ordinary. If you even think you see something, we’re going around.”

Not placing blame on the Alaska crew in this case, but I think we, as pilots, can get a little complacent and rely too much on ATC for spacing and calling a go around.
 
guywhoflies said:
Welp, after what happened in LGA last night, I will be adding a note in my brief about “keep your eyes peeled for anything out of the ordinary. If you even think you see something, we’re going around.”

Not placing blame on the Alaska crew in this case, but I think we, as pilots, can get a little complacent and rely too much on ATC for spacing and calling a go around.
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My intuition is that "a lot of our systems are becoming less reliable under the pressing weight of the omnicrisis."

I don't know if that's a particularly healthy way to look at things, but recently I've started to notice just how little people seem to give a rat's ass in their day to day life. I mean, part of this is because things are hard, but also, "caring" waxes and wanes with the years. Right now we're at a low point. So, people might care immensely about their jobs like pilots, controllers, etc. but if you're embedded in a culture that basically says, "who gives a •" at all times I think that is bound to rub off on everyone at least a little bit.

I guess I'd say, "I think what you're saying is correct! Be ready for everything."

I mean, look at just how far the helicopter was off altitude at the DCA crash last year - I'm not saying they represent all pilots or whatever, but I seem to think that personal standards might have slipped a little bit from the outside looking in.
 
guywhoflies said:
Welp, after what happened in LGA last night, I will be adding a note in my brief about “keep your eyes peeled for anything out of the ordinary. If you even think you see something, we’re going around.”

Not placing blame on the Alaska crew in this case, but I think we, as pilots, can get a little complacent and rely too much on ATC for spacing and calling a go around.
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This will probably come across wrong in text, but if that needs to be briefed we shouldn't be flying that day.
 
ppragman said:
I don't know if that's a particularly healthy way to look at things, but recently I've started to notice just how little people seem to give a rat's ass in their day to day life. I mean, part of this is because things are hard, but also, "caring" waxes and wanes with the years. Right now we're at a low point. So, people might care immensely about their jobs like pilots, controllers, etc. but if you're embedded in a culture that basically says, "who gives a •" at all times I think that is bound to rub off on everyone at least a little bit.
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We’re seeing the breakdown of our nations’ empire day by day- not just political, but societal as well. It started with COVID and that really broke some people. I don’t think they ever fully recovered mentally. Then, social media keeps forcing its users to get increasingly pissed off and biased every time they scroll. Finally, a lot of people cant afford the luxuries and routines they’ve been accustomed to for their adult lives anymore. Stuff is too expensive. All these things together lead to the IDGAF attitude you wrote about. It’s scary that we are now seeing fatal 121 accidents happen with regularity- we know how to fix the system- but regular people have so much else to be stressed with it just doesn’t resonate enough with them to be upset enough to oust the people in charge with the checkbooks that can fix broken systems. It all boils down to rich politicians at the top that just don’t care about regular people as long as they and their families are set for life. Greed by some will kill us all eventually.
 
statusseeker1 said:
We’re seeing the breakdown of our nations’ empire day by day- not just political, but societal as well. It started with COVID and that really broke some people. I don’t think they ever fully recovered mentally. Then, social media keeps forcing its users to get increasingly pissed off and biased every time they scroll. Finally, a lot of people cant afford the luxuries and routines they’ve been accustomed to for their adult lives anymore. Stuff is too expensive. All these things together lead to the IDGAF attitude you wrote about. It’s scary that we are now seeing fatal 121 accidents happen with regularity- we know how to fix the system- but regular people have so much else to be stressed with it just doesn’t resonate enough with them to be upset enough to oust the people in charge with the checkbooks that can fix broken systems. It all boils down to rich politicians at the top that just don’t care about regular people as long as they and their families are set for life. Greed by some will kill us all eventually.
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Why would ordinary people try when they know they’re at risk of losing their livelihood every three months to help some dudes in corner offices who spend half their time at work “networking” at expensive restaurants and golf courses meet arbitrary quarterly numbers?
 
Roger Roger said:
Why would ordinary people try when they know they’re at risk of losing their livelihood every three months to help some dudes in corner offices who spend half their time at work “networking” at expensive restaurants and golf courses meet arbitrary quarterly numbers?
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This is why I'm playing the game differently. It does not work to use the "old" path.
 
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