Fairchild Merlin IV vs King Air

I think he wants to be able to fly too! Hate the shorts!

Ermmm...What?? The Shorts 330 is designed exactly perfect for what it is used for, short hops with a lot of cargo. You are comparing aircraft that normally carry 1 crew + 10-19 pax to an aicraft that carries 29 pax + 3 crew (at least 2 type rated pilots). The useful load is about double of what you might get in a Metro II or IV/B200 (approximately 7500 with full fuel) and it can be stacked to the gills but it's definitely not built for speed. It cruises around 170 true and would finish considerable later than either of the other aircraft but outperforms both in Takeoff and Landing distances.

As far as the choice between the Merlin and the King Air. Take the Merlin and get a good maintenance guy. The engine rigging for the Garrett can be a bit challenging and will take a lot of patience to get them set right. The Merlin is way more responsive and faster in flight but not quite as comfortable as the King Air for the crews.
 
I have about 500 hours or so in the 90 and 200 so I know the positives on the King Air and finding a 200 C with the cargo door is near impossible. Thanks for the observations.
 
i hated flying the metro. granted, i wasn't flying them for the most reputable place around, but i hated that airplane.

the king air, i'm quite fond of.
 
Whoops, I just saw that was a Skyvan...continue with your bashing. :D Still a good little a/c but not quite the Sherpa.
 
Okay Boris, edumicate me on the MU-2. Capacity, speed, ceiling, SE performance. Not sold on any airframe type yet, looking for the best fit.

Well, I don't have numbers sitting in front of me, but from memory the cargo-door and escape-hatch dirty cargo Marquise will cruise about 275-280 true (with low time engines). I've heard that very clean private ones will do 300. We weren't too concerned about fuel consumption since the fed was picking up the bill, so we cruised 15k-19k most of the time, but the Marquise is good up to 27k (supposedly, anything above 23 seems like a waste of time to me). With the power maxed out in the high teens, it would burn 100 gallons/hour and holds a little over 400 gallons, so with reserves you're looking at somewhere around 3 1/2 hours. Probably more like 4 if you were more conservative with fuel burn. If speed is less of an issue, an L model will cost considerably less, cruise 250-260, burn a bit less fuel, and actually has a slightly better useful load due to smaller, lighter props.

Capacity is hard for me to gauge, not having much to compare it to. A Beech 99 is definitely bigger on the inside, and it's my understanding that a 99 is basically a 100 fuselage, so I'd imagine the 200 would also be bigger on the inside. Cross section is very circular. I loved the cockpit. It's a little bit snug (I'm 5'10, about 160 lbs...it's not lear snug, but it's not KA large either), but I found the ergonomics and comfort vastly superior to the 99. I've only flown cargo versions, but even with the soundproofing torn out, it's not all THAT loud in the cockpit...dunno about the cabin. The 99 is much louder.

Single engine performance is actually pretty good...provided you're cleaned up. SE performance dirty and slow is notoriously bad...basically you want to spend as little time below about 120 in this thing as you possibly can. To make a long and complex story short, the way they got the thing to go so fast on the available power was to give it a little tiny wing. The way they maintained good field performance (and the field performance is darned good, especially the landing peformance) was by giving it full span fowler flaps which increase the effective wing area by something like 25%. This is why the thing has spoilers instead of ailerons. The engine out drill is a little different from what most people are used to...it's imperative to use the roll trim (it has trim ailerons) so you can center the wheel and keep the spoilers down. You can lose a lot of lift by riding one of the spoilers up. I've had to shut one down in cruise (bad fire loop), and it was a total non-event, flies great on one spinny thing.

This article address the "safety" issues with the airplane pretty thoroughly and fairly.

http://sleetapawang.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!BD09644C5F6E196D!731.entry

I'm naturally biased as Intercontinental Jet is owned by the same gentleman who owned my last company, but Bob is a good guy and knows the Mu-2 like the back of his hand. I'd recommend giving him a call if you want to investigate the aircraft further.

http://www.ijetservice.com/

The intangibles: This is a fun plane to fly, imho. You can do 250 up to 10k to sequence with the heavy iron in the approach environment, but you can fly around at 120 in a GA traffic pattern and easily land in 1500 ft. It's built like a brick outhouse...in Japan they regularly go to 300knots due to less restrictive bird strike rules (or so I've heard). Definitely two thumbs up on the intangibles. I'd mention that I've heard from others that MX is especially important on them...you need to find someone who knows the plane and its quirks to avoid wallet-emptying irritations.

Let me know if I can be of any other assistance.

And uhm, if you need someone to fly it, I happen to know this very handsome super-genius with a current 8710... ;)
 
What's wrong with "boring?" I guess if a busy cockpit with lots of opportunity for error is what you like, then a King Air is boring.

King Airs are honest planes, well built, fairly simple...That's why they've sold so many.

King air's are fine. I fly a metro myself and have no desire to fly a kingair or 1900... because I like the workload of the Metro. That's one pilot's perspective.

My employers perspective: they fly Metro's because for the fuel burn and initial cost (hell, the cost half to a third of a 1900) well justifys the Metro. The metro hauls a fair amount with a great fuel burn and is cheap to buy. My company could care less if I like how the cockpit is setup in a 1900 vs. a Metro or if I like Pratt's better than Garrett's- because it makes money sense for them to fly a metro, and it doesn't make money sense for them to make sure I'm 'bored'.

A Metro is honestly is a lot of airplane for the money these days. As for the Mu2... I wouldn't mind flying one. They payload is a lot less than a metro and the shear size of it is an issue for many 'missions'. It all depends on what you need out of an airplane and how much money there is to spend.

If you have any questions on the Metro specifically I'll be happy to answer them along with the many other Metro drivers on here.
 
Thanks, being as I will be the primary pilot flying it, I'm sure I will have many. Where do you for recurrent for instance?
 
Thanks, being as I will be the primary pilot flying it, I'm sure I will have many. Where do you for recurrent for instance?

They have a metro sim at Flight Safety in Seattle. I can tell you now that metro training is going to be tougher than King Air training!
 
Thanks, being as I will be the primary pilot flying it, I'm sure I will have many. Where do you for recurrent for instance?


Flight safety in St. Louis has a Metro III sim. I know San Antonio also has some sims (I believe they have more the St. Louis... St. Louis used to have a Metro II as well but that has since been removed). My company uses flight safety for the sims (we use company instructors for both ground training and sim training, but do not own a sim, so we rent Flight Safety's). Those simulators are very archaic... talk about old school... they're pretty much jammed underneath a massive ERJ sim in St. Louis. They tend to break a lot (not a flight safety issue, just an age issue). But, they are functional. Just don't wear a John Deere shirt in flight safety like I did... I was told the rest of the window washers were in the back of the building and was also asked if I was the guy there to caulk stuff.
 
Flight safety in St. Louis has a Metro III sim. I know San Antonio also has some sims (I believe they have more the St. Louis... St. Louis used to have a Metro II as well but that has since been removed). My company uses flight safety for the sims (we use company instructors for both ground training and sim training, but do not own a sim, so we rent Flight Safety's). Those simulators are very archaic... talk about old school... they're pretty much jammed underneath a massive ERJ sim in St. Louis. They tend to break a lot (not a flight safety issue, just an age issue). But, they are functional. Just don't wear a John Deere shirt in flight safety like I did... I was told the rest of the window washers were in the back of the building and was also asked if I was the guy there to caulk stuff.
Well it's better than our P-3 sim (since we don't have one!) Thanks again everyone.
 
Just thinking, and it may already exist (I am the king of "inventing things" or having a new idea after it already exists...but, because I don't know and have the idea indepently I am still genius!).

Is there a spreadsheet in which the specs of various airplanes can be pre-loaded and you can choose three of four airplanes and compare them specs wise, side by side, on one sheet of paper? Thinking you could load "Metro", "King Air (whatever model)", "MU2" and perhaps have some estimates of operating costs based upon variables that could be updated quarterly from a website (like cost of fuel, insurance costs based upon industry averages, etc). It could be like a subscription service.

That would be a cool tool for situations like this.
 
I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for, but if you don't care about initial cost why not the PC-12? A good one can cruise in the 260's with reduced power in the sub 400lb/hr range. And I'm assuming MX would be less expensive too over the twins. However, it is missing that extra motor most people like.

*edit* Duh I forgot you were looking at KA200's of course you can afford a PC-12.
 
Well my Hondo can swallow 3 tons of cargo and still go 1.5hrs with .5 reserve. Can't do that in a metro. If your in the west hands down King Air in the winter time. Does a better job with ice. It burns more fuel around 800lbs first hour and is slower but we run them very low in the power range. Really apples and oranges. I still wish I took the metro but its in the past. Everyone is right KA are easy and kinda boring.
 
Well, you can always mount a 1900C with hard points and an M-61 Vulcan if you need to make it more "exciting". :)
 
Well my Hondo can swallow 3 tons of cargo and still go 1.5hrs with .5 reserve. Can't do that in a metro. If your in the west hands down King Air in the winter time. Does a better job with ice. It burns more fuel around 800lbs first hour and is slower but we run them very low in the power range. Really apples and oranges. I still wish I took the metro but its in the past. Everyone is right KA are easy and kinda boring.

Metro wins because it's cheaper to operate and has a longer range.I'd wager most of his flying will be in mild winter weather. I'm sorry buddy, you'll just have to try again next time. :D
 
Winter will be moving folks around but those that know me know my bread and buttuhhhhh is made in the summmahhhh
 
"Where do you summah?"

"Hamptons, of course!"

"Rent or own?"

"Own, darling. Pish posh!"
 
Metro wins because it's cheaper to operate and has a longer range.I'd wager most of his flying will be in mild winter weather. I'm sorry buddy, you'll just have to try again next time. :D

1900C wins if you've got the 1000lbs gross weight increase.

MRW: 17710
MTOW: 17600

The metro also can't do the cross wind like the 1900 can, I've seen the metros go and hide in 50kt direct cross winds (never flown one though, so YMMV) , and the 1900C handles it great (done about 40 or so in it).
 
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