Failed pv

pil0t1ooo said:
Hi. Wondering if anyone failed their pv and went back to the academy.
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Your PV is done at the Academy. If you fail, you get one more chance to retake it. If you fail again, it's up to your facility whether or not you get to report or if they let you go. Just about everyone passes their PV.
 
2X failed PV =

- Ticket home
- Check for what you've earned up until that moment
- "Have a nice day."

I PV in 36hrs. Yay. :)
 
Everyone in my 12 person class passed their Tower PV. 1 retake.

Conversely, my roomate's class had 6 retakes, and 3 failed the second. 3 terminations that day. It's definitely passable with the training offered, but don't think failures don't happen. Study hard, practice phraseology. Get the most out of every scenario you work.
 
It seems that most PV failures are still a result of nerves more than anything. I was told one of the en route failures from last week just completely lost it during the entire run.

They constantly remind us that very, very few people make a clean run during the PV. Evaluators expect you to make a few mistakes due to inexperience and the stress of the situation. It is the type of mistakes you make and how you recover from them is what they're looking at. If you realize you made a mistake, FIX IT!

All that being said, my PV is this upcoming Friday. I am expecting to do well, but the reality of the situation hasn't quite kicked in yet.
 
FM_Weasel said:
Everyone in my 12 person class passed their Tower PV. 1 retake.

Conversely, my roomate's class had 6 retakes, and 3 failed the second. 3 terminations that day. It's definitely passable with the training offered, but don't think failures don't happen. Study hard, practice phraseology. Get the most out of every scenario you work.
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Would you attribute the difference in classes to a difference in instructors or just the luck of the draw for student population?
 
If by luck of the draw, you just mean the composition of the students in the class, then I suppose you could call it that. The instructors he had were pretty awesome, and you rotate instructors every sim run anyway. So even if your lead instructors were awful (unlikely), you'll rarely work with them in the sims since everyone rotates.

I'd say it was nerves and lack of dedication or "getting it", whatever that means. Though my roomate said he thought a few of the fails were kinda bogus. Maybe the evaluators weren't feeling generous that day.
 
Conversely, my roomate's class had 6 retakes, and 3 failed the second. 3 terminations that day.
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I'm pretty sure I'm one of those 3 you speak of. It was quite shocking that we all failed. In my opinion it was based on bad evaluators not lack of skill or effort. All three of my instructors who worked with me for almost 2 months were baffled that the evaluators didn't pass me. They all had been teaching there for years and assured me I was at the level I needed to be. I described to them and my other classmates why I failed and everyone so far has agreed that it's bogus. I can't go into detail about the PV and why I failed.

One of my instructors knew I deserved to pass because he saw all the effort and progress I put in. He called my facility and told them I would be a great addition there. The supervisor still really wanted to hire me and tried to get my termination with the FAA reversed but they just wouldn't allow it. I was encouraged by my instructors and facility supervisor to reapply and that if I did they'd certainly pick me up again.

Even my classmates who passed were furious at the evaluators who failed us when we told them our stories. Many of us felt like they were just trying to make statistics. I think you CAN get unlucky and get someone who expects perfection. Sometimes there is very little leniency.
 
ViperJoe said:
I'm pretty sure I'm one of those 3 you speak of. It was quite shocking that we all failed. In my opinion it was based on bad evaluators not lack of skill or effort. All three of my instructors who worked with me for almost 2 months were baffled that the evaluators didn't pass me. They all had been teaching there for years and assured me I was at the level I needed to be. I described to them and my other classmates why I failed and everyone so far has agreed that it's bogus. I can't go into detail about the PV and why I failed.

One of my instructors knew I deserved to pass because he saw all the effort and progress I put in. He called my facility and told them I would be a great addition there. The supervisor still really wanted to hire me and tried to get my termination with the FAA reversed but they just wouldn't allow it. I was encouraged by my instructors and facility supervisor to reapply and that if I did they'd certainly pick me up again.

Even my classmates who passed were furious at the evaluators who failed us when we told them our stories. Many of us felt like they were just trying to make statistics. I think you CAN get unlucky and get someone who expects perfection. Sometimes there is very little leniency.
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En Route? Approach? What's the other one...... oh yeah, or Tower? What facility was your evaluator from. Was it the facility you were picked up by?
 
To lighten the mood a bit, I took my En Route PV today and passed, as did the rest of my class. We did have one that failed initially, but he was able to get his retake in later that afternoon and passed it. I think he was just a bit nervous and once he calmed down some he did just fine. Our class was 16/16.

In general, the En Route PV is NOT a difficult problem if you know your stuff. I got ahead of it early on and had plenty of time to take care of everything that needed to be taken care of. There is nothing in there that is particularly tricky or is out to trap you. It is really testing your situational awareness and your ability to perform the basic skills that a D-side is expected to have. Compared to the problems we ran 3-4 days previous, this was a piece of cake. I will admit that I was still a little tense at times, but it felt really good to be asked to give a briefing and have nothing else that needed to be done. I was written up for one delay at Vicksburg but rest of the problem ran very smoothly.

I can't speak to the evaluators that other classes had, but the four we had today all seemed to be very fair. Each one came out and greeted each student before every run to let us know what they'd be looking for and what kind of standard we were going to be held to. Every one I heard basically reiterated the same thing, if you make a mistake, fix it. Your action after making a mistake can potentially show them as much about your ability as running a perfect or near perfect problem.
 
Barty said:
To lighten the mood a bit, I took my En Route PV today and passed, as did the rest of my class. We did have one that failed initially, but he was able to get his retake in later that afternoon and passed it. I think he was just a bit nervous and once he calmed down some he did just fine. Our class was 16/16.

In general, the En Route PV is NOT a difficult problem if you know your stuff. I got ahead of it early on and had plenty of time to take care of everything that needed to be taken care of. There is nothing in there that is particularly tricky or is out to trap you. It is really testing your situational awareness and your ability to perform the basic skills that a D-side is expected to have. Compared to the problems we ran 3-4 days previous, this was a piece of cake. I will admit that I was still a little tense at times, but it felt really good to be asked to give a briefing and have nothing else that needed to be done. I was written up for one delay at Vicksburg but rest of the problem ran very smoothly.

I can't speak to the evaluators that other classes had, but the four we had today all seemed to be very fair. Each one came out and greeted each student before every run to let us know what they'd be looking for and what kind of standard we were going to be held to. Every one I heard basically reiterated the same thing, if you make a mistake, fix it. Your action after making a mistake can potentially show them as much about your ability as running a perfect or near perfect problem.
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Congratulations! It's good to read about a PV that went well. Good luck when you get to your facility!
 
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