Jshutt64
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My private checkride was $500 if I remember correctly. California=expensive.
Failed PPL oral...
- Thread starter ChasenSFO
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My private checkride was $500 if I remember correctly. California=expensive.
Muff3n
Well-Known Member
I have an awesome Examiner. He only charges me 250 bucks. He doesn't charge any if he has to come back another day either. I took my IFR oral one day, then we couldn't fly. So we came back again to the airport another day and the wx wasn't good enough. Then we rescheduled again and the wx wasn't good enough. Finally on the FOURTH time to the airport we were able to do my checkride.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Yep, there's some serious studies in learning and cognition that are based on positive reinforcement. That doesn't mean that you don't stress them out, creating stress is good, but being a dick is not. The military has done studies on this as well, but I don't think the culture is quite able to adjust to that type of mentality. If you can't create stress through any other method than by being a dick, ure doin' it wrong!
That's not to say you can't say, "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING! RIGHT RUDDER, DAMMIT, YOU'RE SCREWING UP TODAY"
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Valid point, but that's not what was said...
The quote was, "no instructor should say anything to make a student feel bad", and that is just a truckload of horse-poop.
An instructor's job is to teach, not to be Dr Phil and manage a student's feelings. If identifying a student deficiency in performance and providing corrective action makes a student feel bad, then so be it. There are definitely good and bad ways to provide that corrective action, and a good instructor uses the appropriate tool to provide the maximum learning...but ultimately the learning is the end objective, not making the student feel a certain way.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
I think we're arguing semantics here. To a large extent, flight training is to weed out personality traits that are incompatible with a safe cockpit, especially in military training. That said, belittling, or "TURN THE HEAT OF YOU IDIOT!" isn't really productive. If as you put it, "identifying a student deficiency in performance and providing corrective action makes a student feel bad," then really, that student has no place in the cockpit of an airplane until they learn how to separate their emotions from the task at hand. If a student get's upset because they get corrected, then they should be counseled on why that shouldn't be how they think, or simply told, "don't be a dumbass, you don't know everything yet, just deal with it and move on, or expect to be washed out." Unfortunately, in the civilian world, instructors aren't given the ability to simply "wash out" a student, so a savvy instructor will do some work on trying to change the personality of the people being instructed.
But that goes back to my idea that flying is 30% stick and rudder, 50% mental, and 20% -house luck.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Ahahahah. Cardinal Wings will live forever! I missed that one, but I was uhm "around" when the sekuritay golf cart got stolen and left in a ditch. Or you know so I heard.
C150J
Well-Known Member
That's a really good statement. Did you come up with that? It pretty much sums up professional aviation.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Just an update here.
So I took and failed the oral Feb 16th and was told I couldn't take another step until I met with the owner. I had to go to DEN for 5 days of training for work right after the PPL ride, so it would have to be after that. It took the owner until March 10th to have the time to have this "meeting" with me. I couldn't do the 10th, so I opted to do it today. They've been canceling meetings with me over and over for this and that. They knew I was going to be running about 10 minutes late today. I get there and my CFI tells me "When the owner heard you were gonna be late he didn't want to wait around and went to lunch, he'll be back sometime between 1:30 to 3:00pm. Just take a seat, I have a student right now so I have to go to". I just walked right out that door. I wait weeks just to hear what they have to say and they can't wait 10 minutes for me? Yet they ask me to wait for up to 2 and a half hours for the owner? Eff that.
I'll be finishing my private in SDF thanks to my awesome friends out there who are trying to help me out.
If you're looking for a school in SQL, I suggest West Valley, and strongly advise against the others. The one I was at was a great school, but only until you fail and make them look bad, then they kick you to the curb. Not worth it.
So I took and failed the oral Feb 16th and was told I couldn't take another step until I met with the owner. I had to go to DEN for 5 days of training for work right after the PPL ride, so it would have to be after that. It took the owner until March 10th to have the time to have this "meeting" with me. I couldn't do the 10th, so I opted to do it today. They've been canceling meetings with me over and over for this and that. They knew I was going to be running about 10 minutes late today. I get there and my CFI tells me "When the owner heard you were gonna be late he didn't want to wait around and went to lunch, he'll be back sometime between 1:30 to 3:00pm. Just take a seat, I have a student right now so I have to go to". I just walked right out that door. I wait weeks just to hear what they have to say and they can't wait 10 minutes for me? Yet they ask me to wait for up to 2 and a half hours for the owner? Eff that.
I'll be finishing my private in SDF thanks to my awesome friends out there who are trying to help me out.
If you're looking for a school in SQL, I suggest West Valley, and strongly advise against the others. The one I was at was a great school, but only until you fail and make them look bad, then they kick you to the curb. Not worth it.
Good for you! Get 'er dunnnn
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
I've always kind of thought that way about it. It seems to make sense. You've got to know how to fly. You've got to know how to think. A lot of the rest is just luck.
The mechanical act of moving an airplane around is mechanical; you could teach a drunk badger to do it. Being ahead of the airplane and analyzing developing situations is all mental, and is almost twice as important as being able to monkey the controls. The rest is just luck, pure and simple. The random statistics that allow you not pick the airplane that's going to have the engine failure when you get into it, or the chance that your career will skyrocket or stagnate control and calibrate more than one would think. You don't really have that much control over a large portion of your aviation life.
having sent a bunch of students to DPE's in the bay area I have to ask, was this one from CCR? sounds like him. reason why I don't send student's.
next, the school should be behind a student 100% of the time because they trust them to solo their aircraft around the area. the school is the one that failed you in the end, even your CFI. He should of made sure you got back up the "horse" to assist you in reaching your educational goals. He is a teacher, and a failing one at that.
next, the school should be behind a student 100% of the time because they trust them to solo their aircraft around the area. the school is the one that failed you in the end, even your CFI. He should of made sure you got back up the "horse" to assist you in reaching your educational goals. He is a teacher, and a failing one at that.
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Well done.
youngflyer
Well-Known Member
Good choice Chasen, you dont deserve that crap.
Mike H
Well-Known Member
I'd have done the same thing. I did do something similar. The first time I failed my SE Commercial checkride, the DPE never told me why he failed me- only that if I got my S### together I could re-take the checkride with him or any other DPE and he didn't give a (f-bomb) which I decided. If he didn't give a (f-bomb) if I used him again, neither did I- so I didn't. And never will again. And whether I pass my CFI checkride on the first try or the 10th- I'll never send a student to him. Ever. Nobody should ever pay money to be abused. You did the right thing and you'll be a better pilot because of it
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
You didnt fail. Your flight school and instructor failed YOU.
All you are guilty of is being human, things happen. You will be a great Pilot, finish her up and lets go flying!
I can also recommend some great DPE's in the bay area.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Nope, just makes the most sense to do it there since I have a friend to stay with, know LOU well enough to get in and out, and have a buddy willing to give me whatever instruction I need and get me into this schools aircraft ASAP. I also plan to do a lot of my IFR stuff out of this school with my friend, so I'd need a checkout there anyway. But most importantly, I can get everything done right away, rather than sit around and wait for a busy CFI to find a way to squeeze me in since he gave up all my slots on his schedule assuming I would pass.:whatever:Are you moving all the way to Kentucky just for your PPL? Seems a little extreme!
Wouldn't be happening if it weren't for JC, seriously. I probably would have kept putting up with this schools BS all the way up to earning my CFI and spent thousands more than I would elsewhere if it weren't for people on this site opening my eyes. I also wouldn't be able to hit the ground running in SDF if it weren't for someone I met on this site. I would have NEVER guessed that I'd be earning my PPL in Kentucky. So don't under-estimate the power of networking you can gain from this site. And be careful burning bridges because you just may need to get to the other side of them one day.
The colonel ain't dead!