Failed PPL oral...
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primate
New Member
Re: !
You're on the right track.
How about this:
Look at the beacon to determine if you are at a military field.
Military field = military fuel.
Voila !
You're on the right track.
How about this:
Look at the beacon to determine if you are at a military field.
Military field = military fuel.
Voila !
Rudabega
Well-Known Member
Have you uh... ever uh... listened to the uh... president uh... speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Thanks so much for all the advise guys. It's like I've always said in life thus far, when someone screws you over, the best revenge is to succeed in spite of them. I will never again use this DPE, and as far as the school and CFI goes, I'll listen to what their "plan" is before I make a decision to walk out or not.
Funny how yesterday I was thinking "WOW that exam was as hard as I thought" and I was dragging my feet beating myself up, and now 24 hours later I'm starting to feel that maybe my failure wasn't because I'm an idiot, but because that examiner may have decided to fish for a reason to fail me. Either way, I'll be ready for him next time.
Funny how yesterday I was thinking "WOW that exam was as hard as I thought" and I was dragging my feet beating myself up, and now 24 hours later I'm starting to feel that maybe my failure wasn't because I'm an idiot, but because that examiner may have decided to fish for a reason to fail me. Either way, I'll be ready for him next time.
WacoFan
Bigly
Spot on!
I'm getting more and more pissed about this as I ponder it...and we may need to form a posse and set the DPE on fire. And then the CFI and the owner.
Question - can you swap DPE's after a bust or do you have to re-take with the same guy?
Jshutt64
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure on this, but I think you can swap but you'll have to do the entire checkride over again (not just the systems/airspace part of the oral) and then you'd have to pay the new DPE the full fee as opposed to a retest fee.
Rudabega
Well-Known Member
You can swap, but it will be at $450 and start from scratch.
poser765
Well-Known Member
Military fuel Vs civilian fuel? Hell If I knew how to tell the difference that would mean I would know the super secret recipe for military fuel. It's classified!
Why is class D class D? I don't know how, but I would find a way to credit Jesus for this.
Why do the breaks work when I push the pedal? PFM! Short of that i don't know nor do I care. Something to do with hoses and red water or something. If I push the pedal and nothing happens...tell someone who knows how to fix it.
I guess my point is, these questions are bad questions. My answers above seem just as valid as any other answer someone could come up with for the questions you posted earlier. I'm sure not Billy Badass but I do have about 500 hours od dual given, and I would have had trouble with them.
You did also hit on sort of a sore point with me and systems. I need to know that when I pull the carb heat, warm air is sent into the carb. What I don't need to know is that the warm air is heated via radiant heating in a shroud over the left exhaust manifold. Don't get me started though or I'll whine all night about prop governors.
Good luck on the retest...hope to hear some results soon.
Why is class D class D? I don't know how, but I would find a way to credit Jesus for this.
Why do the breaks work when I push the pedal? PFM! Short of that i don't know nor do I care. Something to do with hoses and red water or something. If I push the pedal and nothing happens...tell someone who knows how to fix it.
I guess my point is, these questions are bad questions. My answers above seem just as valid as any other answer someone could come up with for the questions you posted earlier. I'm sure not Billy Badass but I do have about 500 hours od dual given, and I would have had trouble with them.
You did also hit on sort of a sore point with me and systems. I need to know that when I pull the carb heat, warm air is sent into the carb. What I don't need to know is that the warm air is heated via radiant heating in a shroud over the left exhaust manifold. Don't get me started though or I'll whine all night about prop governors.
Good luck on the retest...hope to hear some results soon.
germb747
Well-Known Member
Dang! I never had an oral like that, not even on a military UPT checkride or my CFI initial--It's also possible to get the bad apple. I wouldn't sweat it--it sounds like you know your stuff at the level you're supposed to know it, although my disclaimer is that I wasn't there. The only thing I might suggest in the future is to use DPEs who are known by the local pilots to be fair and stick to the PTS. Every examiner will have their favorite pet subject to delve into; you should have that intel ahead of time to set yourself up for success. Good luck on the recheck.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
^ This is what you should read.
The longer I do this, the more I think of checkrides as nothing more than just a game between Instructors and DPEs; a dance maybe, he leads and I follow.
Each DPE has a certain rhythm and in the end the instructor starts to move to it. "X" DPE likes to bust students on clearing turns, so we instructors start "coaching" for the checkride.
What you wrote reads as if you were simply not "coached" enough to be playing the game.
It shouldn't be a game, but it is (IMO). It stinks.
You also have to remember that he is going to put his name to your certificate, with only meeting you for four hours and flying with you for 1.5. There are a lot of things that might put out a vibe of being in over your head, "uh" might be one example. Something told him to bust you and he went after you until you did (just guessing).
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And JEP is 100% correct, your instructor is taking it personally.
Too personally.
That explains his actions.
Don't bail yet. It will be cheaper to finish up there. The instructor at the next school over will want to see you do probably much more than three hours of flight and plenty of review ground to see if you are ready for his sign off.
Money and time says stay put if those are the most important to you.
Cheers.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Chasen- You know what I think... Your examiner is a goofball.
He could go to a different examiner, and is only required to cover what they haven't done, or what he was shown to be deficient in, unless the examiner decides to test him on everything again... But it would cost him lots of extra $$$.
Oh, PS, you could also request an FAA examiner do your checkride. It would be free, and to be honest, probably less difficult than your checkride you just took... Just sayin'. :dunno:
He could go to a different examiner, and is only required to cover what they haven't done, or what he was shown to be deficient in, unless the examiner decides to test him on everything again... But it would cost him lots of extra $$$.
Oh, PS, you could also request an FAA examiner do your checkride. It would be free, and to be honest, probably less difficult than your checkride you just took... Just sayin'. :dunno:
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Damn, sorry to hear that Chasen.
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
:yeahthat:
You know that's right.
That "now we're going to have to start all over," comment was completely out of line, and hypocritical of your instructor. He thought you were ready for a sign off but after a bust he thinks you need to start from scratch? Doesn't stand to reason.
I want to ask, did the DPE allow you to access any reference material ( i.e. aircraft POH) or not?
GlenA
Senior Chicken Counter
That's a good question. When I took my CFI initial, the FSDO examiner wouldn't even let me have a copy of the standards book. He made a photocopy of the menu and said that was all I was allowed to have. He then proceeded into a 10 hour oral which I failed right around the 10 hour mark (head was spinning, gave a wrong answer and that was all she wrote). Probably doesn't help that he opened the conversation with him by saying he "doesn't like the school I went to, everyone from there is substandard". There are definitely people out there with their own agendas...
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
He was allowing me to use the POH and even google if I needed it. However, he warned me with systems he was going to "make me think" and it'll be clear to him if I memorized whats in the POH or knew my stuff. Kind of a hint what he was asking wouldn't be found by a glance at the POH, I would have to know it up to his standards or not know enough. I didn't know enough.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
And saved $700. You know what, I think I'm doing all future check rides with the Feds... If I fail an oral, it costs me zero.
My last ride with a DPE was $250 btw.
And I don't think there is any way to tell the difference between military kerosene and civilian kerosene, other than smell. Jet-A and JP-8 are basically the same thing, only difference is the additives.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Y'know, if this is what he was looking for he needs to be punched. Because, you ask a kid a question like that, you're showing off your ability ask a trick question and nothing more, Mr. DPE. Nice one, smart guy. Now how about you stick to the PTS and not be a jerk?
There is not one iota of validity in that question. To whit: what the hell is a civilian PPL going to be doing on a military field...AT NIGHT? Emergency landing? Think he's gonna ask for jet fuel after that?
If he wants to know if the candidate knows the difference between military and civilian beacons, he can damn well ask the question straight up and not get cute about it.
This pisses me off. Chasen, you deserve your money back. That DPE is a tool if everything you wrote was accurate.
Strange, but I had a similar thought when I woke up this morning. My checkride was a lot of FUN - my DPE was excellent, and she taught me a couple of things in addition to examining me. I thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience.
Go the Feds and save your money. Look on the bright side - a Fed ride isn't going to be any worse than what you've dealt with now.
Unfortunately there isnt much you can do about this, just keep your chin up.....Some DPE's have an agenda and it looks like you ran into one.
We recently had a guy go to a DPE for his sport pilot license, and the oral took 5hrs. Not because the student didnt know anything, he was asking commercial level questions for a sport pilot.
We recently had a guy go to a DPE for his sport pilot license, and the oral took 5hrs. Not because the student didnt know anything, he was asking commercial level questions for a sport pilot.