Failed Check rides and Consequences.

Inverted said:
How do I look up my past checkrides to see comments etc??
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There are comments in two places. One is on any Notice of Disapproval (pink slip) if you received one. There are no comments on a temporary certificate if you pass. If you request your file, you should find copies of all of your applications, and pink slips, and temporary certificates. However, you have already seen those documents before.

The second place is within an internal FAA file, which you can't get. My understanding is that it is never used outside of the FAA, but I'm not 100% certain about that. The comments in there would be what the examiners wrote on their report to the FAA, which is typically something like "1.5 hours flight time and 2.5 hours oral".

I did request my complete file and I was glad I did it for a couple reasons. It brought back a lot of old memories. It filled in some gaps for me. It also cleared up a mystery involving a missing written test report that had bugged me for a long time. I believe there was a charge for the photocopy cost, but it was a very small charge.
 
Inverted25 said:
Any blemish that you have on your record could be a constrant. But I think what matters more is how you respond when asked about it. If they ask you about the failures and you try to make up excuses for why you failed each one they will look poorly on you for it. But if you man up and take responsibility for it, it shows good character. I've always been told to make any blemishes on your record your strong point in your interview. Explain what you learned from it and how you used it as a building block to future success. At least that my opinion on the matter and my opinion my not matter much lol.
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Capt.BBZ said:
I am a new CFI graduate and I am hearing stories about failed check rides. Except my CSEL, I failed all the check rides at the first time. ( Private, Instrument, CFI-Initial.) will the airline job remain a dream only for me? Or check rides are only one of the factors that affect the Airline Interview? Or Will my situation matter at all? some serious advices will be greatly appreciated.
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I wouldn't give up on your dream just yet. However, I do have a friend that was recently rejected at a Colgan interview specifically because he had three checkride failures. I can't speak for other airlines, but Colgan has a hard limit of two.
 
cjreed172 said:
I wouldn't give up on your dream just yet. However, I do have a friend that was recently rejected at a Colgan interview specifically because he had three checkride failures. I can't speak for other airlines, but Colgan has a hard limit of two.
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I like your new avatar.

That is all.
 
I wouldn't sweat it. I know of someone who failed their PPL, MEL, IFR, and CFI all the first time and is now flying 737s for Copa. I personally failed the Oral on my PPL the first time around.
 
What about 135? I always hear about airlines hiring standards but what about 135? I know some employers who look at the man/woman before the paper work. Just my 2 cents
 
Shouldn't it depend on the amount of ratings held? Say there is one guy with PPL, ME add on, instrument and CMEL with 2 busts, he is better off than the guy who has all those + CFI, CFII, MEI with 3 busts. The system has got to be fixed because that just doesn't make much sense.
 
It's kind of ridiculous because so many factors can play into whether you pass a checkride or not, plus sometimes we have off days, it happens. I know that right now Eagle will not look at you if you have 2 or more checkride failures. My friend interviewed there and that was the first question they asked him on his phone interview. Like others have said they do it because they can right now.
 
I have to say, as someone who gives checkrides, it *kills* me when I have to unsat someone.
In every case, it was someone who was not prepared. There is no excuse for that.
The consequences for failure, as this thread points out, are severe.
When the oral part of the ride starts out with someone who has been flying the same equipment for 18 months can not tell me how many fuel pumps are on the airplane, someone was NOT prepared. No excuse for that.
As far as the flying portion, *always* fly like a check airman is in the cockpit with you. Always. Then when there really is, you wont have to think twice about what you are doing.
 
check ride failure is a big thing for air line one does not even get a call for an interview if you have more than two failure on ur record
 
Had busted my CFI ride 2 times 3 years ago from then on i have 2500 hours a gold seal on my instructor license i have trained more than 40 students with a pass rate of 90% . I Never failed any other license I also got My CFII MEI..
I decided to take my ATP as luck would have it on my single engine ILS Approach The good Engine failed due to Mechanical fault but still got a pink ticket on it rest every thing when good so that leaves me with 3 busts and not a good candidate for Airlines when my student are flying for the airlines life sucks i guess its a very narrow minded approach
 
Itchy said:
I have to say, as someone who gives check rides, it *kills* me when I have to unsat someone.
In every case, it was someone who was not prepared. There is no excuse for that.
The consequences for failure, as this thread points out, are severe.
When the oral part of the ride starts out with someone who has been flying the same equipment for 18 months can not tell me how many fuel pumps are on the airplane, someone was NOT prepared. No excuse for that.
As far as the flying portion, *always* fly like a check airman is in the cockpit with you. Always. Then when there really is, you wont have to think twice about what you are doing.
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What he said. If you have career aspirations then you should go into each checkride prepared. Your orals should be well organized- think of it as a briefing. For example, look through the PTS... have every one of the weather items listed in the PTS printed out and be brief them to your examiner for the flight. Do that for each item on the PTS. Is it a little overkill to be able to draw a 172 fuel system for a private check ride? Yes, but getting in that habit will really help you when you move on to complex aircraft with mind boggling fuel systems. Nothing like shutting down a jet engine late at night with weather socked in all over and trying to remember how to cross feed so you get all the fuel.
Find CFIs with good reputations even if it's just for oral help.
Sorry, my kids fly commercially. I don't want someone up front who can't pass a check ride. One or two, I understand. Start getting more... there are enough pilots out there who don't have that on their resume. Fly for several years both as a CFI and 135 then get back to me.
 
Blackhawk said:
What he said. If you have career aspirations then you should go into each checkride prepared. Your orals should be well organized- think of it as a briefing. For example, look through the PTS... have every one of the weather items listed in the PTS printed out and be brief them to your examiner for the flight. Do that for each item on the PTS. Is it a little overkill to be able to draw a 172 fuel system for a private check ride? Yes, but getting in that habit will really help you when you move on to complex aircraft with mind boggling fuel systems. Nothing like shutting down a jet engine late at night with weather socked in all over and trying to remember how to cross feed so you get all the fuel.
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This is very good advice. I've always had the strategy that it's best to blow the examiner away from the start, which is of course always the oral. If one is overly prepared for the oral, they will immediately win the examiner over and have them on their side. At that point, the examiner WANTS you to pass, and they will not immediately bust you for a stupid mistake during the flying portion (assuming it wasn't something huge, like busting an MDA or feathering the wrong engine). If you piss them off during the oral, they'll probably be looking for reasons to bust you.
 
Itchy said:
No, not really. PRIA. It would be pretty easy to "Not" log something.
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I think PRIA only has part 121/135. If you order your FAA records then you can check what certificates, ratings, and check rides. Someone correct me if im wrong but i dont think you will find your check ride results on PRIA unless it was a 121/135 check ride in the last 5 years?
 
Itchy said:
No, not really. PRIA. It would be pretty easy to "Not" log something.
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When you take a checkride your check airman is required to sign your book pass or fail. When I interviewed with my airline the first thing they did was look through our log books and compare them to our application. One guy got sent home because they found a failed ride he didnt list in his app.
 
DayTripper said:
When you take a checkride your check airman is required to sign your book pass or fail. When I interviewed with my airline the first thing they did was look through our log books and compare them to our application. One guy got sent home because they found a failed ride he didnt list in his app.
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I would imagine that lying about a bust is far more detrimental to your career than having a bust. Especially considering lying implies you lack the good moral character required of the highest grade of certificate.
 
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