FAA Releases NPRM for 121 Pilot Mins.

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FlyGuy9k4

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IT's Official- or at least on its way to be now- Just released today- the NPRM from the FAA STATING the new 121 Pilot Mins.

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2010-02643_PI.pdf


Long Story Short:
If a part 121 air carrier pilot does not hold an atp certificate, he or she
will be required to meet the atp certificate aeronautical knowledge and
experience requirements of § 61.159, even if he or she is serving as sic.



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Lets Do this!!!
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OH TEH NOES! How am I ever going to fly a shiny jet airplane with 250 hours now!? This is unfair! There should be a law!
 
jtrain609 said:
OH TEH NOES! How am I ever going to fly a shiny jet airplane with 250 hours now!? This is unfair! There should be a law!
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HAHAHAHA- good thing for those of us that DO have the mins.- the days of going straight from CFI to Flight Deck look to be numbered...

Back to the old way of Licenses- CFI- Part 135 ASEL- Part 135 AMEL- then MAYBE a 121 if you got the time...

I never did that route, but all the "old timers" always told me I was worthless because I had not gone that route... just my .02...


Continue.... haha
 
I'll be honest, without the training I received at a part 135 company, I would have never made the transition straight from flight instructing to flying an RJ. And if I had, I'm convinced that I would have been nothing more than a hinderance to my captains.

Instead, during our first departure my IOE check airman looked over me and said, "You've done this before, haven't you." No sir, just spent a little time in a Chieftain, but thanks anyway. Part 135 is golden as far as I'm concerned.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Regardless of the rules, there will always be pilots that don't belong on the flight deck.
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Yes, but at least they will have had to survive 1500 hours of something before flying dozens of passengers around through weather for 16 hours on a bad day.
 
jtrain609 said:
OH TEH NOES! How am I ever going to fly a shiny jet airplane with 250 hours now!? This is unfair! There should be a law!
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Unless you go to UND or Riddle. There is something in there to open up the discussion to "academic credit in lieu of aeronautical hours" or something like that. Also another section says maybe 750TT to act as SIC in 121. Either way, I think the days of wet ink on a commercial multi are numbered.
 
Nick said:
Yes, but at least they will have had to survive 1500 hours of something before flying dozens of passengers around through weather for 16 hours on a bad day.
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I agree- flying 1500Hrs of dual given in a training environment with assassins trying to take you out every day, vs someone that has 1500hrs of 135 with 95% of the time on autopilot/GPS ... well...

its hard to compare them... haha- advantages and disadvantages i suppose..
 
Nick said:
Yes, but at least they will have had to survive 1500 hours of something before flying dozens of passengers around through weather for 16 hours on a bad day.
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You're dangerous.

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Good, I don't have to go out and get my ATP. :) Good move, now lets see the revised duty/rest rule and I will be a one happy guy.
 
Looks like they are inviting public comment on the proposal. We should do just that. I didn't see anything on duty times though. I think that is more important than ATP's for all.
 
saxman said:
Looks like they are inviting public comment on the proposal. We should do just that. I didn't see anything on duty times though. I think that is more important than ATP's for all.
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Yes- it was just published today- and its avail for OFFICIAL PUBLIC notice on the 8th I believe and it will be avail for Public Proposals on the 9th I think...
 
saxman said:
Looks like they are inviting public comment on the proposal. We should do just that. I didn't see anything on duty times though. I think that is more important than ATP's for all.
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Yup, that's how a notice of proposed rule making works. If it's anything like that recent Part 61 re-write, it'll take about 18 months before it goes to the final stage, where it then becomes law.
 
I like the rule myself...I came up through the CFI world, but I also flew 421's/414's that were managed and I flew with some current Delta (was furloughed then) and retired Delta guys that made sure you knew what was going on and taught you the "right way" to do things.

I didn't have my ATP when I started at Horizon, but I did meet all the requirements for one and it would have been hard to obtain. It honestly wasn't a "tough" transition for me going from a cabin class twin like the Cessna's to a Q400.

Horizon did a wonderful job teaching me though, for all that's wrong with the "Error Group", the instructors at Horizon are top notch.
 
Am I the only one who read through that and didn't actually see a proposed reg? All I saw was 4 sets of questions "Should the FAA...... why or why not". That's nothing but a cliffs-notes of the questions raised during the senate hearing.
 
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