msmspilot
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Not when you have a fly-by-wire stability control system so good that you can loose one of the tails and not know it until after you land.
F-117A Nighthawk
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Not when you have a fly-by-wire stability control system so good that you can loose one of the tails and not know it until after you land.
V-tailed enemy combatant killers!
Hey Daff, isn't that tail part wooden or something or is that classified?
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
SmoothLanderJ
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Hands down my favorite fighter all time. Pure awesomness!
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
"Fighter", hah hah.
Hacker15e
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We did have AIM-9 capability, so somewhat.
I figured you as an "ATTACK!" guy, Daff!
I think it's cool that the A-10 community really embraces that. There's an amazing heritage there that a lot of the 'pointy-nosed' community totally ignores.
Oh I am, you know me! IT really should be the A-117.
BobDDuck
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A friend of mine was a design engineer at Lockheed back in the 70's when they were designing the F117. The original clean sheet design actually was a bomber but in typical AF fashion they wanted it to become a "multi roll" aircraft and hence the design specs changed and it became and F instead of a B.
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
Heh ... can you believe that lawyers get paid good money!?
///AMG
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So did the FB-111 only count as 1/2 towards 1 on the SALT/START totals?
ppragman
No pasa nada.
I've never heard of this interesting.
Yup. For example under START, the B-1B is no longer authorized to carry nukes or have the capability to. It's external stores weapons racks were decommissioned.
Our only nuke bombers are the B-52 and the B-2.
Not completely sure if that was related. Just as I'm curious on the FB-111 question also.
Hacker15e
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To the best of my knowledge, the SAC FB-111s were considered full-up nuclear bombers under SALT. There's something with that regarding the FBs being armed with the AGM-69 SRAM, too, but I don't recall the details.
I'll have to ask my dad for more details, as he was an FB-111 navigator, but as far as I know, the FB-111 wasn't covered in the SALT or START treaties.
However, the Australians are destroying the F-111Gs (former FB-111As), much to the consternation of my father. Some are saying this is due to the fact that they were once nuclear capable, but I imagine that anything that rendered the aircraft nuclear capable was removed prior to them being sent as part of an FMS. (With all the export control hoops I had to go to get cables sent overseas, I would hope anything that permitted nuclear weapons would be kept out of export. )
I do remember when I was at Griffiss our B-52Gs had special strakelets to identify them as cruise missile carriers as part of the treaty.
But the FB-111As were full-up nuclear bombers carrying the AGM-69A SRAM or the B61 "Silver Bullet" nuclear weapons. My dad did SIOP alerts for a week out of every three while I was growing up.
However, the Australians are destroying the F-111Gs (former FB-111As), much to the consternation of my father. Some are saying this is due to the fact that they were once nuclear capable, but I imagine that anything that rendered the aircraft nuclear capable was removed prior to them being sent as part of an FMS. (With all the export control hoops I had to go to get cables sent overseas, I would hope anything that permitted nuclear weapons would be kept out of export.
)I do remember when I was at Griffiss our B-52Gs had special strakelets to identify them as cruise missile carriers as part of the treaty.
But the FB-111As were full-up nuclear bombers carrying the AGM-69A SRAM or the B61 "Silver Bullet" nuclear weapons. My dad did SIOP alerts for a week out of every three while I was growing up.