Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilots...
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Cav
Former Maddog Whisperer
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
I agree, go do something else for a few months and see what happens. It's not too hard to replace the income while on 1st year pay. This coming summer at XJT is not going to be a fun place.
I agree, go do something else for a few months and see what happens. It's not too hard to replace the income while on 1st year pay. This coming summer at XJT is not going to be a fun place.
Tram
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
I be rate it a 10!
ah... remember, now... we're trying to educate not berate.
I be rate it a 10!
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Kristie, I was about to quote my own post, but you saw I responded...
Even though my post might not mean anything...
Most companies will always offer a company-offered leave of absence before a furlough. If there are pilots who would prefer to have two or three months off, they'll choose those pilots before a pilot who does not want time off. Personally, if I did not want to keep flying, and if I had another source of income, I'd take a COLA. I want to go back to school for a Master's Degree, and this would help out tremendously. I'm also looking for that coveted "1000 PIC turbine," however.
This does not mean the end of ExpressJet. It does mean the end of our hiring plans for the foreseeable future, however.
Pardon spelling mistakes. I've been drinking.
Just for understanding purposes...what's the reason for this and what's behind this? is it just so the company doesn't have to furlough or did they lose their flying or just losses all together?
EDIT: Read Flychicaga's post about why.....still not quite understanding the reason for COLA would be used vs furlough cuz if they're cutting down block time, that's not temporary is it?
Kristie, I was about to quote my own post, but you saw I responded...
Even though my post might not mean anything...
Most companies will always offer a company-offered leave of absence before a furlough. If there are pilots who would prefer to have two or three months off, they'll choose those pilots before a pilot who does not want time off. Personally, if I did not want to keep flying, and if I had another source of income, I'd take a COLA. I want to go back to school for a Master's Degree, and this would help out tremendously. I'm also looking for that coveted "1000 PIC turbine," however.
This does not mean the end of ExpressJet. It does mean the end of our hiring plans for the foreseeable future, however.
Pardon spelling mistakes. I've been drinking.
Captain_Bob
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Block hours are temporary. They fluctuatuate from season to season, and sometimes month to month. The hope is that higher loads and block hours are expected in the early and late summer months. Thus... the 1-3 month COLA's.
Chicaga hit the nail on the head with the reasoning behind a COLA first vs. a Furlough.
Bob
A slight overstaffing issue with a combined reduction in block hours from CAL and DAL.Just for understanding purposes...what's the reason for this and what's behind this? is it just so the company doesn't have to furlough or did they lose their flying or just losses all together?
EDIT: Read Flychicaga's post about why.....still not quite understanding the reason for COLA would be used vs furlough cuz if they're cutting down block time, that's not temporary is it?
Block hours are temporary. They fluctuatuate from season to season, and sometimes month to month. The hope is that higher loads and block hours are expected in the early and late summer months. Thus... the 1-3 month COLA's.
Chicaga hit the nail on the head with the reasoning behind a COLA first vs. a Furlough.
Bob
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Sounds a lot like marriage...:cwm27:
best of luck to any who chooses to do this, hopefully it will not become forced.
On the bright side, this could be their chance to have a "Fun" flying job, something they couldn't do before due to benefits and whatnot.
Sounds a lot like marriage...:cwm27:
best of luck to any who chooses to do this, hopefully it will not become forced.
On the bright side, this could be their chance to have a "Fun" flying job, something they couldn't do before due to benefits and whatnot.
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
enjoy your beverage!
shoot... if i any of ya'll are young and have the flight bennies... DO IT! just go and enjoy some free time cuz there will ALWAYS be time for *work*.
Kristie, I was about to quote my own post, but you saw I responded...
Even though my post might not mean anything...
Most companies will always offer a company-offered leave of absence before a furlough. If there are pilots who would prefer to have two or three months off, they'll choose those pilots before a pilot who does not want time off. Personally, if I did not want to keep flying, and if I had another source of income, I'd take a COLA. I want to go back to school for a Master's Degree, and this would help out tremendously. I'm also looking for that coveted "1000 PIC turbine," however.
This does not mean the end of ExpressJet. It does mean the end of our hiring plans for the foreseeable future, however.
Pardon spelling mistakes. I've been drinking.
Thanks for the knowledge! feels good to learn something new and useful every now and again...
enjoy your beverage!
shoot... if i any of ya'll are young and have the flight bennies... DO IT! just go and enjoy some free time cuz there will ALWAYS be time for *work*.
Proud Pilot
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
You just need some good ole fashioned lovin'
You just need some good ole fashioned lovin'
Tram
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
You are right.. Maybe I should go snuggle with my wifey...
You are right.. Maybe I should go snuggle with my wifey...
mtsu_av8er
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Sure there are but I think your bigger problem would be figuring out for yourself what is the definition of 'decent'.
Ehh, what do you know. You're just another pilot with another reg.....Oops my bad....
Sure there are but I think your bigger problem would be figuring out for yourself what is the definition of 'decent'.
Ehh, what do you know. You're just another pilot with another reg.....Oops my bad....
Hootie
Old Skool
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
I would be ALL OVER this. If you're a skipper than its probably better to take the money and work, but if you're a fo ESPECIALLY a first year guy, you would have to be retarded not to jump on it. You can make more money and work less just waiting tables at IHOP. Good deal, IMHO.
I would be ALL OVER this. If you're a skipper than its probably better to take the money and work, but if you're a fo ESPECIALLY a first year guy, you would have to be retarded not to jump on it. You can make more money and work less just waiting tables at IHOP. Good deal, IMHO.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Hate to break it to ya, but that 1000 hrs doesn't magically get you a major job. Once again, I can introduce you to a LOT of guys that have twice that much time and are still at a regional.
Hate to break it to ya, but that 1000 hrs doesn't magically get you a major job. Once again, I can introduce you to a LOT of guys that have twice that much time and are still at a regional.
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
The hours won't magically get you a job, that's right! Keep in mind, even if you get the interview you still have to pass the interview. Attitude, personality, test scores & the sim ride all contribute to getting that job.
The hours won't magically get you a job, that's right! Keep in mind, even if you get the interview you still have to pass the interview. Attitude, personality, test scores & the sim ride all contribute to getting that job.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Heck, the hours don't even magically get you an interview.
Heck, the hours don't even magically get you an interview.
crashmbern
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
You mean UPS, FedEx, or Delta won't be at my door with a job offer when I get 1000 TPIC??????
You mean UPS, FedEx, or Delta won't be at my door with a job offer when I get 1000 TPIC??????
SoCalAprch
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
To start off I hope everything turns out good for everyone over there at Xjet. Its amazing how things can change in just a year. Also for some of you guys in the know after your COLA are you guaranteed a position when the 3 months is up? Or can they just say "sorry, flying didn't pick up your SOL, keep waiting and we will call you when we need you." I know with the F word you just wait until they call you back.
Its good to see the positive attitudes towards the whole situation from the Xjeters. I don't really see it as nice and happy as you guys though. This isn't a good thing at all in my humble opinion. This is just the start. I see what some are saying about how they hired to many and all but jeez that kool aid much taste excellent. And I hate hate hate to say it but if you wanna be competitive you gotta lower prices. The majors don't give two ####s whether or not you have good work rules or happy pilots. They only care about how much money they are going to be saving by using your airline. Someone earlier said its good to see Xjet not lowering prices to gain that flying back. I disagree, they should be doing anything necessary to get that flying back. If you don't have flying then you aren't getting paid and pilots are going to start to loosing their jobs and it won't be voluntary. I know first hand that it is possible for an airline to stay competitive and keep their employees happy.
Good luck to all involved...
PS CLE is opening in April for Republic (CHQ side).
To start off I hope everything turns out good for everyone over there at Xjet. Its amazing how things can change in just a year. Also for some of you guys in the know after your COLA are you guaranteed a position when the 3 months is up? Or can they just say "sorry, flying didn't pick up your SOL, keep waiting and we will call you when we need you." I know with the F word you just wait until they call you back.
Its good to see the positive attitudes towards the whole situation from the Xjeters. I don't really see it as nice and happy as you guys though. This isn't a good thing at all in my humble opinion. This is just the start. I see what some are saying about how they hired to many and all but jeez that kool aid much taste excellent. And I hate hate hate to say it but if you wanna be competitive you gotta lower prices. The majors don't give two ####s whether or not you have good work rules or happy pilots. They only care about how much money they are going to be saving by using your airline. Someone earlier said its good to see Xjet not lowering prices to gain that flying back. I disagree, they should be doing anything necessary to get that flying back. If you don't have flying then you aren't getting paid and pilots are going to start to loosing their jobs and it won't be voluntary. I know first hand that it is possible for an airline to stay competitive and keep their employees happy.
Good luck to all involved...
PS CLE is opening in April for Republic (CHQ side).
Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Generally speaking, a leave like that is bid for a specific amount of time. 3 months for example. After 3 months is up, you go back to work. If your landings aren't current, they may send you to sim for a day or so.
If you're contractually protected, they can not abrogate senority by furloughing out of senority like that. If involuntary absences are required, that must be done in accordance with the CBA. Which means junior people go first.
Generally speaking, a leave like that is bid for a specific amount of time. 3 months for example. After 3 months is up, you go back to work. If your landings aren't current, they may send you to sim for a day or so.
If you're contractually protected, they can not abrogate senority by furloughing out of senority like that. If involuntary absences are required, that must be done in accordance with the CBA. Which means junior people go first.
surreal1221
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Re: Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilot
Wow. . .
Really guys/gals. . .if Proud Pilot wants to keep that mindset, then so be it.
Just remember the moment you see him walking across your picket line to treat him accordingly.
Best of luck Proud Pilot. I hope, for the good of the profession, you start treating it with some respect.
In other news
Anyone notice how Chris_Ford hasn't made another comment . . .hmm. . .the cat is finally out of the bag. Mr. Incognito no longer.
Wow. . .
Really guys/gals. . .if Proud Pilot wants to keep that mindset, then so be it.
Just remember the moment you see him walking across your picket line to treat him accordingly.
Best of luck Proud Pilot. I hope, for the good of the profession, you start treating it with some respect.
In other news
Anyone notice how Chris_Ford hasn't made another comment . . .hmm. . .the cat is finally out of the bag. Mr. Incognito no longer.