Express Jet Placement

B

buffalopilot

Well-Known Member
ATP's agreement with ExpressJet with 500/100 hrs. Does that only apply to those who instruct for ATP and complete the CRJ training, or for any of their graduates?
 
From what I have gathered from their website and speaking to ATP students/personnel, the 500/100 hr time frame is for those students who complete the career program ($37,995) as well as the direct track program (an additional $32,000). By completing the direct track program, you skip the flight instructing part. If I'm wrong, please anyone from ATP step up and correct.
 
Hey officer i asked the same question when i visited ATP. The guy there told me that it applies to any airline career program graduate that has either done direct track, or instructor track. Basically he said it didnt matter if you did the direct track or not....as long as you were a program graduate and ATP instructor.
 
Hey there Officer448... [ QUOTE ]
From what I have gathered from their website and speaking to ATP students/personnel, the 500/100 hr time frame is for those students who complete the career program ($37,995) as well as the direct track program (an additional $32,000). By completing the direct track program, you skip the flight instructing part. If I'm wrong, please anyone from ATP step up and correct.

[/ QUOTE ] Not quite correct... You don't have to spend the extra 30+ grand to utilize the letter of agreement. Here is the letter.

ATP_ExpressJet_Alliance.jpg


To me... it basically says that all you have to do is complete the RJ course and meet the other criteria. Doug... you gotta love the 4 year degree part!

Now this came out after I got hired at XJT... but if I'm reading it correctly... if you meet all the other qualifications (without ever having even stepped foot in an ATP location), and simply take the RJ course... then that satisfies the spirit of the letter.

Of course two other ways of getting there via ATP (starting out with just your PPL) are to:

1. Complete the Career Pilot Program and then get hired to instruct (anywhere) or find another way to build your time, come back and take the RJ course when your ready... and...

2. For those that don't want to instruct and have the funds available... finish the Career Pilot Program and then transition to the Direct Track which includes the RJ course.

What does everyone else think? Maybe someone at the office could chime in.

Bob
 
Yep captain, now that i read it carefully, it really doesnt say anything about being a career program graduate. However, if you read in the second paragraph, it mentions about the RJ course being part of the PROGRAM...i guess its referring to the career program. Not sure. Also i was told the 4 year degree is preferred.....and that you can still do it with a 2 year degree. It also says in the bold..preferred.
 
All it says in the RJ standards course, nothing about the career pilot course. I went through the ACPP and will go back to do the jet course later on.
 
I seriously doubt that they care TOO much about the CRJ course. Published Mins are only 600/100 anyway, it wouldn't take long to get that using your CFI. If you can answer questions about the seminole, read jepps, and answer some basic IFR questions, they will be happy. If you logged CRJ sim time prepare to be drilled on that. I'm not discounting the benefits of the CRJ course, and granted they make mention of it in the letter, but I don't think it's a make or break type of deal. You're practically guaranteed an interview anyway if you meet their published mins and answer the questions on the phone interview correctly.
 
yeah that would suck...getting drilled on the RJ stuff...and end up getting your foot stuck in your mouth lol. I wonder if the RJ course is mandatory, because they want a letter of recommendation from the instructor.
 
The problem with these sorts of guarantees

Any change in a contract or any different direction taken by mainline can change the hiring needs of any regional....so many things....

To sign up for a flight training program because of a guaranteed interview with one specific company is nuts.
 
Re: The problem with these sorts of guarantees

I dont think a lot of guys sign up for a program just because of a guarenteed interview. I mean, i am choosing ATP because many many many pilots have highly recommended it, also the amount of multi time i'll get, and the accelerated pace of the training.
 
Re: The problem with these sorts of guarantees

Keep in mind too, that while the published mins for Xjet or only 100 higher then the mins on the LOA most people who get in via the LOA are getting a callback about 1 week after the complete the program/submit their resume. From what I have heard/seen recently, XJet is now calling back people who submited their resume (who have not done the RJ program) in October. So I guess that could be an added benefit as well.

Ethan
 
FYI, word around the XJT training center is that official hiring mins are 1200/200. They were raised around the first of February.

(Of course, letters of agreement like the one posted above would not change with the official numbers.)

Jeremy
 
Re: The problem with these sorts of guarantees

[ QUOTE ]
To sign up for a flight training program because of a guaranteed interview with one specific company is nuts.

[/ QUOTE ]

Isn't that why everyone goes to Delta Connection Academy and the Mesa academy?
 
Re: The problem with these sorts of guarantees

I guess you could make the argument that they're nuts.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Doug... you gotta love the 4 year degree part!

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup!

But still, people insist on arguing about it.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Arguing about what ? I think i missed something...please enlighten me.

[/ QUOTE ]

mmm...There are people arguing about wether 4 years degree(s) is/ are required for pilot/flying job. If I remember correctly, someone on flightinfo.com would argue with all day long about degree.


adreamer
 
ohhh you mean arguing on whether or not a 4 year is needed. All i go by....is first of all...what pilots have told me. At the airport.....usually when i see guys coming off of the RJ's....i'll ask for a fast few minutes of their time, and i find out where they trained, if they have a degree, etc. So many i've talked to...in real life....had a two year degree. some had 4 years. I can recall a few...with only diplomas. They said a two year would be fine for a regional.....but, you cant plan on any advancment without a 4 year. Also, on the websites...that show regional minimums......i dont think there is a single one that requires a 4 year.....some of them preferred yes, and also some of them...two year preferred...and SOME of them........"some college" preferred. Now myself....i have a paramedic/emt liscense..which was done through a college. As i'm going to ATP i'm gonna complete the utah valley state distance learning program to have me up to an associates by the time i'm ready to look for interviews. Then once i work a few years and bring myself up to a somewhat survivable pay scale, i'll continue and knock out the rest of the 4 year. So...in a nutshell......due to what i've been told by actual pilots...i'm gonna attempt with a 2 year for now. At this time....going for a full 4 year...isnt in my budget...so really its out of my reach at this point.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Arguing about what ? I think i missed something...please enlighten me.

[/ QUOTE ]

mmm...There are people arguing about wether 4 years degree(s) is/ are required for pilot/flying job. If I remember correctly, someone on flightinfo.com would argue with all day long about degree.


adreamer

[/ QUOTE ]

Now when you say 4yr degree do they mean in aviation? I have a associate in design and a bachlors in business. I would have gone the way of aviation college but felt that flight training would be sufficient and that a business degree would be better for my lifestyle. Because if the flying thing doesn't work out I can still get back into this boring but well paying insurance field.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top