EXPRESS JET LOWER MINS?

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But 600 TT? That doesn't even meet Part 135 cargo/charater. And they're going to have guys flying 50 seat RJ's?

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Actually, there are a lot of guys out there flying 50 seat RJs with less than 135 minimums. Have you looked at the IFR mins for 135? They're 1200 tt. That means anyone hired at minimums at most regionals is below 135. SA.

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True. Most regional mins. are around 1000-1500 TT. But, with that being said, it does not mean your are going to be hired with that time. Like I said above, with the current situation you have people furloughed from UAL, AA, USA, etc, etc all looking for jobs, regionals included, now these people don't have 1500 TT. So I would find it unlikely that you'd be (in these times) to be hired right at mins.

Just my 0.02. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
You'd be surprised. I have talked to a lot of regional airline new hires (guys flying RJs) that are around 1000/150 or so with no turbine experience.
 
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You'd be surprised. I have talked to a lot of regional airline new hires (guys flying RJs) that are around 1000/150 or so with no turbine experience.

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It seems interesting given the fact there are a lot of furloughed major guys looking for jobs, with plenty of time.

Guess the business works in different ways. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I guess its all about who you know, or luck, but sure experience and hard work can also be a powerful edge in this industry. (from what ive noticed, heared, and observed)
 
Of course, you are not going to be hired into the left seat with those hours. Any new hire is going to be carefully supervised. In any case.. the thread was started as a joke right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Like I said above, with the current situation you have people furloughed from UAL, AA, USA, etc, etc all looking for jobs, regionals included, now these people don't have 1500 TT. So I would find it unlikely that you'd be (in these times) to be hired right at mins.

Just my 0.02. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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First of all, most furloughees from the majors wont go applying to the regionals. They are not gonna go back to staying at motel 6, getting paid 16K a year, and sitting reserves after they have been flying for a legacy carrier. Secondly I heard from some people in the regionals, that they try to stay away from hiring major furloughees because if they get recalled, they will leave. Someone also told me they dont want to hear them b*tch because they were so used what the majors were providing.

and response to falconCapt. Its definitely true that there is no substitute for expereince. the confidence level I have now at 800 hours is far greater than what it was at 400. so dropping mins from 1000 to 600 is huge. But the Capt is PIC, and he has the experience. The mins to move to the left seat I assure you, have not changed.

i agree with what capt chris said, pre 9/11 i heard they were hiring like crazy picking up people at 5-600 hours. as a flight instructor, hearing that an airline has dropped their mins is music to their ears.

-brian
 
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First of all, most furloughees from the majors wont go applying to the regionals. They are not gonna go back to staying at motel 6, getting paid 16K a year, and sitting reserves after they have been flying for a legacy carrier. Secondly I heard from some people in the regionals, that they try to stay away from hiring major furloughees because if they get recalled, they will leave. Someone also told me they dont want to hear them b*tch because they were so used what the majors were providing.

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If given a "for sure" they will. It has happen at Eagle, Pinnacle, Express Jet, etc, etc, basically every regional affiliated with a major airline, even without a flow-through agreement.

Second part. Your probably right. I wouldn't hire a guy that only plans to be "here" on a month-to-month basis waiting the recall to NWA, COA, et al.

Though it's true jetBlue, Southwest, Airtran hiring furloughs. I'd much rather hire a furloughed US Air bus' pilot then a regional CRJ Captain over at jetBlue, and a furlough AA/TWA 717 guy at AirTran. Most won't be going back to the majors anytime soon, so what gives. The regionals/LCC are making the $$ I think they can spare an extra 10L to train a guy who wants to leave the insant he gets called back to NWA, COA, et al.

I know for a fact I would. The regional/LCC is not where I plan on retiring at 60. For some it is, and more power to them. But for a person to go through so much, and get paid so little, makes me cringe. Pilots deserve every penny that the still high-end NWA and DAL contracts offer.

I got off subject, sorry. Too good to not post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif
 
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The regionals/LCC are making the $$ I think they can spare an extra 10L to train a guy who wants to leave the insant he gets called back to NWA, COA, et al.

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I am sure it will cost these airlines more in the long run, but lets say JetBlue hires a furloughee and he/she stays at JetBlue for 2 years and then gets recalled. JetBlue then has to hire another pilot which and they will be at a lower pay rate. JetBlue could end up breaking even on this whole deal(just speculating), but the big thing is they like the GOOD GUYS and that is great PR.
 
I looked at the online app for xjet yesterday and the only two flight time questions were as follows:

Do you have 600 hours of total fixed wing time? Yes or No.

Do you have 100 hours of multi-engine time? Yes or No.

Have you logged 30 or more hours in the preceeding 90 days?
Yes or No.

I'm sure they will ask a lot more in-depth flight time questions on any follow up phone interviews they conduct (and do some more weeding out at that point), but obviously they're considering pilots with the above requirements or else they'd be asking for higher.
 
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The regionals/LCC are making the $$ I think they can spare an extra 10L to train a guy who wants to leave the insant he gets called back to NWA, COA, et al.

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I am sure it will cost these airlines more in the long run, but lets say JetBlue hires a furloughee and he/she stays at JetBlue for 2 years and then gets recalled. JetBlue then has to hire another pilot which and they will be at a lower pay rate. This could (just speculating) end up breaking JetBlue even in money, and then they are looked at as the GOOD GUYS, which is great PR.

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I'm not sure I understand your last bit there. When you say breaking JB, do you mean as hurting them in the long run, because they're bringing on a new-hire for less pay, then the other leaving for the recalling carrier?

Your right. JB is the current media darling. JB this, JB that. A great company indeed, but if the media found out they're 100 seat 190 pilots will be making darn near Comair pay they'd have to question they're appreciation, for lack a better work, with the airline. But that's an entirely different story all together.

I wonder when the employees live up to the name of their employer? jetBLUE?
 
I edited my last post, I should learn to read over what I write.

What I meant to say is that JetBlue could break even even if a pilot gets recalled after having worked for JB for a couple years, then having to train someone new at a much lower pay rate.
 
I think what JB and SWA are banking on is that the pilot may not WANT to return when recalled. I know if I was working at an airline that had no history of furloughs, I'd think twice about going back. Who knows, there might be another round of furloughs in 5 years when the industry swings back down.

And on the experience thing, yeah the IR checkride is the same. However, there's a diverence in flying a 172 and a Falcon. That being said, all airline pilots still have to go through groundschool, simulator training and IoE before they are officially on the line. Even then, most are on probation for a year or more. If a 600 hour pilot can make it through the same airline training as a 1200 hour CFI, I really don't see a lot of difference b/w the two.
 
At ATP today I heard that all instructors there with more than 600 hours were told to fax their resumes into JAX. XJET was mentioned.
 
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At ATP today I heard that all instructors there with more than 600 hours were told to fax their resumes into JAX. XJET was mentioned.

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Hearing that news brings a smile to my face /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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