Expect (FL) x minutes after departure

[NovemberEcho]

True, but they are options, not necessarily fast options, but better than blasting off across the country NORDO.

I’d much rather you be NORDO climbing on your route that I expect than blasting around at 250kts NORDO below the MVA

 

[JordanD]

They should be including it, don’t know why they’re not.

That's what I thought, but it's been widespread enough that I wondered if there was some official change. I'd say it's omitted more often than it's included at this point.

 

[Karnage]

I'd venture to say most people aren't picking up voice clearances in a jet with 3 comm radios, an HF, and CPDLC.

Fly domestic more. Lots of smaller cities don't have CPDLC or PDC clearances available. Really fun watching guppy pilots write out C R A F T on a piece of ACARS paper. Hell, I'll be getting paper fuel slips and hand scribbling clearances at least once a trip for the rest of the month.

True it's not super common, but it's common enough if you're junior enough to get the garden tour of villes and burgs.

 

[JordanD]

Fly domestic more.

Challenge accepted. I'm narrowbody trash so I'm lucky to do a Cabo turn or an exotic Calgary layover maybe once a year.

 

[Karnage]

Challenge accepted. I'm narrowbody trash so I'm lucky to do a Cabo turn or an exotic Calgary layover maybe once a year.

I'm really trying to get @Autothrust Blue to come over to the dark side so he can relive his CRJ glory days in the mighty guppy with 30 hour Fargo overnights in January!

 

[JordanD]

I'm really trying to get @Autothrust Blue to come over to the dark side so he can relive his CRJ glory days in the mighty guppy with 30 hour Fargo overnights in January!

That place rules in the summer though. I probably gain 5 pounds every layover from all the good food, completely unexpected when I saw it pop up on my schedule the first time.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I'm really trying to get @Autothrust Blue to come over to the dark side so he can relive his CRJ glory days in the mighty guppy with 30 hour Fargo overnights in January!

That blast of cold air when the MCD was opened................

 

[Stone Cold]

A lot of assumptions in here that they're reading my clearance differently based on the airplane. I haven't picked up a clearance in a light airplane in probably a decade, but yeah, I'd venture to say most people aren't picking up voice clearances in a jet with 3 comm radios, an HF, and CPDLC. I'm sure there's plenty of airliners flying around with stuff deferred or flat out not offered. Just seems like a weird thing that was standard for a while until it apparently wasn't, not to mention our clearance review includes the "expect FL (xxx) in 10 minutes" or whatever. Or at least 99% of people brief it that way and look a little confused when a voice clearance doesn't include it.

Anchorage would like a word with you. The good part is, just guess the squawk code. The rest is always the same. That is, until they switch departure to 126.4, or give you a full route clearance, in 3 parts, because it’s so long. Ask me how I know.