Expect (FL) x minutes after departure

[GolfChuck]

Me too but I can see everyone is missing my point.

TL;DR anything contained in the SID may be omitted when you are cleared on the SID.


@ me next time . I haven't been in this corner of the website in a while.My current shop reads expect in 10 but it's the only airport I've worked at that does.

The answer is that the clearance is abbreviated. If the airport has a departure procedure, the procedure will likely say on it "expect filed altitude 10 minutes after departure". If it does, there is no need (per the .65) to read it, unless the altitude was changed.

At one of my previous shops the SID actually said expect filed altitude 5 minutes after departure. Pilots would often read back expect filed altitude in 10, even though they were not cleared that way, and we would have to correct them. This was at a class C airport serving 3 majors and a budget airline.

At another one of my shops we didn't even read the initial altitude (which I thought was a bad practice but nothing ever came of it)

 

[GolfChuck]

It took me a while to find the reference, it is buried in 4-3-2. The way it is written makes this section one of the most confusing in the whole order. I screenshotted the applicable paragraph to save you some effort