Mr.Maximus
New Member
Too funny Bob. :yup: Seems like Betty is always too happy to blurt out "minimums" in a nanosecond. I'd prefer m-i-n-i-m-u-m-s. Ahhhhhhh, just picked up the approach lights - continuing.
ever went under MDA by mistake?
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Too funny Bob. :yup: Seems like Betty is always too happy to blurt out "minimums" in a nanosecond. I'd prefer m-i-n-i-m-u-m-s. Ahhhhhhh, just picked up the approach lights - continuing.
nosehair
Well-Known Member
In the training environment, and in the real world, you may need to stay at MDA until within the legal published visibility for the approach.
If the approach requires 1 mile vis, then you won't see the runway until within 1 mile. You need to learn how to get it down from MDA within published vis. That's the same as holding it at published MDA.
Check out 91.175 again...it is. No person may "continue an approach" below DH. No person may "operate" below a published MDA.
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FlySmiley
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Correct. Otherwise they would need to start calling it a MDH - minimum decision height (where the decision would be made by the pilot prior to MDH). Disclaimer: MDH is a fictional term. Do not ask your instructor about MDH and how to apply it on an ILS approach.
In reality, you fly down to DH and the decision is made for you - either you see it and continue, or you don't and you go away.
Use your PDP as an estimation of ability to maneuver normally (3* path) to the runway (or VDP if published). <-- Non-precision
In reality, you fly down to DH and the decision is made for you - either you see it and continue, or you don't and you go away.
Use your PDP as an estimation of ability to maneuver normally (3* path) to the runway (or VDP if published). <-- Non-precision
Sometimes.
Sometimes you see lights, go to 100' and then don't see anything but approach lights and go missed there.
-mini
I know what ya meant. My apologies for picking nits. Just want to make sure if an instrument student reads the thread they remember all of the good stuff about going to 100'...then maybe going farther and maybe not. No harm intended.
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CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Sounds to me like he his training for his instrument training. The PTS clearly states that you are not allowed even 1 foot below the MDA, but you are allowed 100 feet above. Once he gets into real instrument flying, down to mins, he will realize +40 could be the difference between going missed and landing, but for the checkride, he has to be within standards.
cfii2007
New Member
I agree, you can be +100 above, but 0 below. On a checkride, and in real life, making a correction quickly will not lead to a bust, or striking terrrain.
I've often taught my students to pad the mins by +50, especially on a checkride. But in real life, that amount of correction might lead to going missed.
I've often taught my students to pad the mins by +50, especially on a checkride. But in real life, that amount of correction might lead to going missed.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
yeah- they were talking about the ils.
just to be clear. you can decide to go around at 200 feet (ils) AND you are not continuing the approach. depending on the airplane it may not be able to have an instantaneous response and it may continue down till it actually bounces off the runway and then back into the air. that is all legal.
if the pilot hits the ground and then decides (ohh i'm here) and lands then he is illegal. if the plane bounces off (i've watched it happen to C-5's) and continues up its all good, its all legal. this is because the pilot is not continuing the approach and the plane went down anyway because of performance realities.
That's what I was attempting to point out. DH is not an MDA...you may go below it and most likely will as you transition to the climb.
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