Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time.....

TallFlyer

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The headline is a little dramatic I would say....

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nat...e-pilot-blames-company-in-weather-mishap.html

The LA Times... said:
A JetBlue flight, stranded for hours by the weekend’s miserable weather in the Northeast, prompted the flight’s pilot to complain -- via now widely available audio -- that he was getting more help from airport officials than from his own company.

A spokeswoman for Jet Blue wouldn’t comment Monday about the pilot’s complaints but defended the airline's actions in dealing “with this confluence of events” caused by the weather. She said all of the passengers will receive a full refund for their round-trip fares.

Flight 504 left Saturday morning from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., bound for Newark, N.J., but snowy weather forced the flight to be diverted to Bradley International Airport near Hartford, Conn. It landed there in the early afternoon -- and then was forced to wait more than seven hours on the tarmac.

Other flights spent more than their fair share of time on the tarmac at the Bradley International over the weekend, but it was Flight 504 that garnered the most media attention.

“I got a problem here on the airplane. I'm going to need to have the cops onboard,” a flight crew member told the tower in a conversation posted on LiveATC.net, a website that monitors air traffic control conversations. “I need some air stairs brought over here and the cops brought onboard the airplane.”

The pilot later told the tower: “Look, you know, we can't seem to get any help from our own company. ... I apologize for this, but if there is any way you can get a tug and a tow bar out here to us and get us towed somewhere to a gate or something. I don't care, take us anywhere.”

As the flight waited, the pilot took the time to thank the airport.

“Listen, I just want to put in my two cents worth in for whatever its worth. Thank you very much,” he said, according to news reports based on LiveATC.net. “It's Capt. Thompson over here on (Flight) 504 ... I think we've got more help from you guys than our own people.”

The passengers were able to leave around 9 p.m. JetBlue blamed the problems on the large number of flights that had to be diverted because of the weather.

“Due to a confluence of events, including infrastructure issues in New York/JFK and Newark, JetBlue diverted 17 flights on Saturday. Six of those flights diverted to Hartford,” the airline said in its e-mailed statement. “We worked with the airport to secure services, including remote deplaning and lav servicing. Obviously, we would have preferred deplaning much sooner than we did, but our flights were six of the 23 reported diversions into Hartford, including international flights. The airport experienced intermittent power outages, which made refueling and jetbridge deplaning difficult.”

JetBlue also apologized to the passengers.

“We have communicated directly with our customers impacted by this confluence of events to apologize as well as provide a full round trip refund, as it remains JetBlue’s responsibly to not simply provide safe and secure travel, but a comfortable experience as well,” the company stated.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

So thats $27,000 per passenger the airline has to pay correct?
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Really, no excuse for this. No way I would sit on a plane for 7 hours that was stuck on the ground as a passenger.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Maybe they should've brought that one FA back.....
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

I have claustrophobia to a certain extent (only usually kicks in on elevators and if waiting a while to unload from the back on a plane) and I would be having a major panic attack if I was stuck on this airplane. There's no way I could have lasted 3+ hours without passing out.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Wait- so it was a problem with the airport facilities (jetways out of service, lack of equipment for deplaning remote airplanes, loss of power with no apparent back up power), yet it's the airline's fault???
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

I was wondering when this would get brought up in the forums. I just can't imagine what would prevent the unloading of the aircraft for that long. I can understand the passengers being pissed. I would be too and after the three hours in the air and 7 hours on the ground, even I'd be close to the point of getting unruly. I'm glad no one got arrested.

I know the emergency exit is only for emergencies, but if the airline and the airport aren't going to help me I might consider helping myself to that door. Sure I'd need a good lawyer, but hey I'd be off the plane and in a nice roomy jail cell with working toilets.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

I'm glad they're finally cracking down on this. I remember being stuck on a plane for 6 hours in the 90s before that kind of thing was on the news. It was pretty terrible, they just made us sit there while they tried to fix a problem for 6 hours. Finally they realized they couldn't fix it and had us get on another plane, THEN we got to fly.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

I'm glad they're finally cracking down on this. I remember being stuck on a plane for 6 hours in the 90s before that kind of thing was on the news. It was pretty terrible, they just made us sit there while they tried to fix a problem for 6 hours. Finally they realized they couldn't fix it and had us get on another plane, THEN we got to fly.

It doesn't sound like it!

I'm not sure how long I could or would just sit. That emergency slide would start looking pretty good after a very short time period.................
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

That emergency slide would start looking pretty good after a very short time period.................

You'd probably end up in jail for getting up and blowing a slide for that.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

You'd probably end up in jail for getting up and blowing a slide for that.

Could always just open an overwing for some fresh air without the hassle of the slide deployment. :D
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

I'm glad they're finally cracking down on this. I remember being stuck on a plane for 6 hours in the 90s before that kind of thing was on the news. It was pretty terrible, they just made us sit there while they tried to fix a problem for 6 hours. Finally they realized they couldn't fix it and had us get on another plane, THEN we got to fly.

Cracking down on whom? Should we punish the airlines if the airport does not have the proper facilities to support unusual operations such as this? I don't know all the details, but it sounds as if Hartford Airport got overwhelmed, not JetBlue. It was the airport that lost power, not JetBlue. It was the airport that did not have the stairs to service remote airplanes, not JetBlue. An airline can only put an airplane in a spot that is available, they can't crap the spot or make it out of thin air. I'm reminded of seeing a bunch of international flights diverting into Augusta, Georgia. The place was not made to handle a large number of international flights. Heck, the FBO did not even know how to fuel some of the airplanes and the airport did not have the facilities to deplane the pax. Was it the fault of the airlines that the pax were stranded for hours or the airport's fault?
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Could always just open an overwing for some fresh air without the hassle of the slide deployment. :D

Depends...our airplanes have slides for the overwing exits too. :D
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Wait- so it was a problem with the airport facilities (jetways out of service, lack of equipment for deplaning remote airplanes, loss of power with no apparent back up power), yet it's the airline's fault???


Yes. You find a solution, especially after 7 hours. Move one airplane from the gate via a tug, and do what you have to do to get people off. If they can bring some airstairs over with the police, they can bring some air stairs over and deplane tha pax.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Cracking down on whom? Should we punish the airlines if the airport does not have the proper facilities to support unusual operations such as this? I don't know all the details, but it sounds as if Hartford Airport got overwhelmed, not JetBlue. It was the airport that lost power, not JetBlue. It was the airport that did not have the stairs to service remote airplanes, not JetBlue. An airline can only put an airplane in a spot that is available, they can't crap the spot or make it out of thin air. I'm reminded of seeing a bunch of international flights diverting into Augusta, Georgia. The place was not made to handle a large number of international flights. Heck, the FBO did not even know how to fuel some of the airplanes and the airport did not have the facilities to deplane the pax. Was it the fault of the airlines that the pax were stranded for hours or the airport's fault?

The airline needs to plan alternates to take suitable facilities into account. Barring an emergency, airplanes should not be diverting into airports that can't deplane passengers or even fuel the aircraft.
 
Re: Even pilot blames JetBlue for 7 hours of tarmac time....

Yes. You find a solution, especially after 7 hours. Move one airplane from the gate via a tug, and do what you have to do to get people off. If they can bring some airstairs over with the police, they can bring some air stairs over and deplane tha pax.
Agreed. At some point during extraordinary circumstances you abandon standard procedures and just get the job done.
 
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