Even Kit Darby feeling the pain....
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flyover
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"As a result, Darby's pay will go from about $230,000 to $150,000."
My Capt & I laughed so hard on that one this morning!
So does that figure also include his income from that 'side businesss' of his???
"The pair's household income has shrunk by at least $150,000 a year, forcing them to rely on savings to pay the bills. "
Shrunk by $150K? So even if the two took a combined 50% paycut they were still pulling down $300K to start with! What kind of bills do these two have that they BOTH can't live off his new lower salary?! They have to live off savings? YGTBSM! Does he have some unreal alimony payments or something?
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This is kind of interesting commentary on this web site, given that it is the same argument the "public" uses when they hear pilot salaries are coming down to some lower six-figure target. "What, they can't live on XXXX?"
What is your beef exactly? That Darby has a "side business"? When he isn't commuting to fly and during his off hours on the road, Kit works at his "side business". He's worked his guts out for years on this, whether you like his company or not. And he has worked at this during his lean times in the airline industry, between jobs and as a new-hire. He hasn't always been a UAL captain.
I don't know his financial situation. I've heard he has a nice house. As someone who is representing pilots in this interview, what would you want him to say? "Yeah, it's been huge cuts but I think it's really fair, who can't live on this, besides I have so much time off that I've become an evil rich person with a "side business"?
"As a result, Darby's pay will go from about $230,000 to $150,000."
My Capt & I laughed so hard on that one this morning!
So does that figure also include his income from that 'side businesss' of his???
"The pair's household income has shrunk by at least $150,000 a year, forcing them to rely on savings to pay the bills. "
Shrunk by $150K? So even if the two took a combined 50% paycut they were still pulling down $300K to start with! What kind of bills do these two have that they BOTH can't live off his new lower salary?! They have to live off savings? YGTBSM! Does he have some unreal alimony payments or something?
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This is kind of interesting commentary on this web site, given that it is the same argument the "public" uses when they hear pilot salaries are coming down to some lower six-figure target. "What, they can't live on XXXX?"
What is your beef exactly? That Darby has a "side business"? When he isn't commuting to fly and during his off hours on the road, Kit works at his "side business". He's worked his guts out for years on this, whether you like his company or not. And he has worked at this during his lean times in the airline industry, between jobs and as a new-hire. He hasn't always been a UAL captain.
I don't know his financial situation. I've heard he has a nice house. As someone who is representing pilots in this interview, what would you want him to say? "Yeah, it's been huge cuts but I think it's really fair, who can't live on this, besides I have so much time off that I've become an evil rich person with a "side business"?
Heath
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This is kind of interesting commentary on this web site, given that it is the same argument the "public" uses when they hear pilot salaries are coming down to some lower six-figure target. "What, they can't live on XXXX?"
What is your beef exactly? That Darby has a "side business"? When he isn't commuting to fly and during his off hours on the road, Kit works at his "side business". He's worked his guts out for years on this, whether you like his company or not. And he has worked at this during his lean times in the airline industry, between jobs and as a new-hire. He hasn't always been a UAL captain.
I don't know his financial situation. I've heard he has a nice house. As someone who is representing pilots in this interview, what would you want him to say? "Yeah, it's been huge cuts but I think it's really fair, who can't live on this, besides I have so much time off that I've become an evil rich person with a "side business"?
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My thoughts exactly! Over and over I've heard people in the general public say something to the effect of "oh yeah, those POOR delta pilots, getting their pay cut from $140,000 to ONLY $100,000. My heart just BLEEDS for them..." while rolling their eyes.
The fact is, most people in the US spend what they make. So if you're pullin' down 300K, you have a house and cars and toys and payments that reflect that. I don't care who you are, when your pay is cut 30%, you feel it. Sure, he might just have to sell some stuff off and lower his standard of living. But for many, such a cut can push one into bankruptcy.
Like him or not, I feel just as sorry for him as for all the other people who have been forced to take huge cuts in pay. It sucks whether you earn $30,000 or $300,000. And as was said, he made a good representation to the general public of the pain pilots are feeling.
This is kind of interesting commentary on this web site, given that it is the same argument the "public" uses when they hear pilot salaries are coming down to some lower six-figure target. "What, they can't live on XXXX?"
What is your beef exactly? That Darby has a "side business"? When he isn't commuting to fly and during his off hours on the road, Kit works at his "side business". He's worked his guts out for years on this, whether you like his company or not. And he has worked at this during his lean times in the airline industry, between jobs and as a new-hire. He hasn't always been a UAL captain.
I don't know his financial situation. I've heard he has a nice house. As someone who is representing pilots in this interview, what would you want him to say? "Yeah, it's been huge cuts but I think it's really fair, who can't live on this, besides I have so much time off that I've become an evil rich person with a "side business"?
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My thoughts exactly! Over and over I've heard people in the general public say something to the effect of "oh yeah, those POOR delta pilots, getting their pay cut from $140,000 to ONLY $100,000. My heart just BLEEDS for them..." while rolling their eyes.
The fact is, most people in the US spend what they make. So if you're pullin' down 300K, you have a house and cars and toys and payments that reflect that. I don't care who you are, when your pay is cut 30%, you feel it. Sure, he might just have to sell some stuff off and lower his standard of living. But for many, such a cut can push one into bankruptcy.
Like him or not, I feel just as sorry for him as for all the other people who have been forced to take huge cuts in pay. It sucks whether you earn $30,000 or $300,000. And as was said, he made a good representation to the general public of the pain pilots are feeling.
flyover
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Not that there's anything wrong with that!
But on the pay issue, as long as anyone's earning X + $1 (where "X" = average wage), there'll always be at least one goober that thinks someone else is overpaid.
Off with his head!
Personally, if they can't handle pay differentials amongst different career fields, rewind the clock to the pre-Perestroika USSR and ask, "So Mr. Lenin, how did that single class society work for ya?" using your Dr. Phil voice.
But on the pay issue, as long as anyone's earning X + $1 (where "X" = average wage), there'll always be at least one goober that thinks someone else is overpaid.
Off with his head!
Personally, if they can't handle pay differentials amongst different career fields, rewind the clock to the pre-Perestroika USSR and ask, "So Mr. Lenin, how did that single class society work for ya?" using your Dr. Phil voice.
av8trxx
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This is kind of interesting commentary on this web site, given that it is the same argument the "public" uses when they hear pilot salaries are coming down to some lower six-figure target. "What, they can't live on XXXX?"
What is your beef exactly? That Darby has a "side business"?.... As someone who is representing pilots in this interview, what would you want him to say? "Yeah, it's been huge cuts but I think it's really fair, who can't live on this, besides I have so much time off that I've become an evil rich person with a "side business"?
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I don't have a beef and I could care less that he has a side business. Darby is basically saying that he can't live on what he makes at UAL ($150K) because he is having to cut into his savings and sell cars. Yet there is NO mention of his additional income from Air Inc, only UAL. That's sad. What do I expect him to say? Certainly NOT that he can't even make ends meet and must dig into savings to get by. The fact is that if you pull down $150K and have to dip into your savings, you are living beyond your means (or have a lousy financial planner). My ex b/f made $180K/yr, is about the same age as Kit, also went through several airlines. Yet he could quit tommorow and be secure if he wanted to because he is penny wise, a smart investor and lived within his means (comfortably in a large house too) budgeting for a large retirement and no outstanding debt. From this article, it sounds as if that is something Mr Darby cannot do.
This is kind of interesting commentary on this web site, given that it is the same argument the "public" uses when they hear pilot salaries are coming down to some lower six-figure target. "What, they can't live on XXXX?"
What is your beef exactly? That Darby has a "side business"?.... As someone who is representing pilots in this interview, what would you want him to say? "Yeah, it's been huge cuts but I think it's really fair, who can't live on this, besides I have so much time off that I've become an evil rich person with a "side business"?
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I don't have a beef and I could care less that he has a side business. Darby is basically saying that he can't live on what he makes at UAL ($150K) because he is having to cut into his savings and sell cars. Yet there is NO mention of his additional income from Air Inc, only UAL. That's sad. What do I expect him to say? Certainly NOT that he can't even make ends meet and must dig into savings to get by. The fact is that if you pull down $150K and have to dip into your savings, you are living beyond your means (or have a lousy financial planner). My ex b/f made $180K/yr, is about the same age as Kit, also went through several airlines. Yet he could quit tommorow and be secure if he wanted to because he is penny wise, a smart investor and lived within his means (comfortably in a large house too) budgeting for a large retirement and no outstanding debt. From this article, it sounds as if that is something Mr Darby cannot do.
And before you break out the Doug Taylor voodoo doll, I wasn't calling you "goober" or anything, in fact I didn't see your post until after you responded to Flyover. That was a targetless general statement!
Not that think that I was talking to you or anything. Maybe I'll just go back to the commuter room and get dressed for work and do something productive rather than ramble incessantly in run-on sentences on a slow connection!
Carry on!
Not that think that I was talking to you or anything. Maybe I'll just go back to the commuter room and get dressed for work and do something productive rather than ramble incessantly in run-on sentences on a slow connection!
Carry on!
flyover
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I don't have a beef and I could care less that he has a side business. Darby is basically saying that he can't live on what he makes at UAL ($150K) because he is having to cut into his savings and sell cars.
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Well, first of all you don't know what Darby told the reporter. My guess is the reporter called Kit because he is the CEO of Air Inc., as part of her research and then asked if she could use him as one of her examples. Kit gets quoted in papers all the time either in his Air Inc. role or airline pilot role.
Secondly I don't draw the conclusion you do from the comments attributed to him:
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Sudden decreases in income have caused stress at home. Darby said he and his girlfriend, a first officer for United, had to sell their car after she was laid off in 2003. She found a new job with a charter airline making $70,000 less than before. The pair's household income has shrunk by at least $150,000 a year, forcing them to rely on savings to pay the bills.
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Now given that the point of the story was that airline employees were facing tough times, I imagine the reporter wrote what she wanted to present. Kit and his household saw a $150,000 per year income loss in a short period of time. They sold a car and dipped into savings. What exactly is wrong with that? I don't conclude,from that, that they now live in a car or didn't have ample reserves for the sudden loss. I don't think the UAL situation caught Kit by surprise.
Just don't get upset if you run into a sudden loss of income and find little sympathy or understanding. And if you ever find yourself being interviewed by a reporter don't be surprised if what you say and what they report are two different things. Ask anybody who gets put in that position on a regular basis.
I don't have a beef and I could care less that he has a side business. Darby is basically saying that he can't live on what he makes at UAL ($150K) because he is having to cut into his savings and sell cars.
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Well, first of all you don't know what Darby told the reporter. My guess is the reporter called Kit because he is the CEO of Air Inc., as part of her research and then asked if she could use him as one of her examples. Kit gets quoted in papers all the time either in his Air Inc. role or airline pilot role.
Secondly I don't draw the conclusion you do from the comments attributed to him:
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Sudden decreases in income have caused stress at home. Darby said he and his girlfriend, a first officer for United, had to sell their car after she was laid off in 2003. She found a new job with a charter airline making $70,000 less than before. The pair's household income has shrunk by at least $150,000 a year, forcing them to rely on savings to pay the bills.
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Now given that the point of the story was that airline employees were facing tough times, I imagine the reporter wrote what she wanted to present. Kit and his household saw a $150,000 per year income loss in a short period of time. They sold a car and dipped into savings. What exactly is wrong with that? I don't conclude,from that, that they now live in a car or didn't have ample reserves for the sudden loss. I don't think the UAL situation caught Kit by surprise.
Just don't get upset if you run into a sudden loss of income and find little sympathy or understanding. And if you ever find yourself being interviewed by a reporter don't be surprised if what you say and what they report are two different things. Ask anybody who gets put in that position on a regular basis.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
Usually those complaining about the people making high-end salaries are those who aren't making those salaries. It's jealousy really. "Why can't they live on $150,000 as apposed to $300,000??? I make it work on $20,000!" Well, that's because you have to. I know that if I made $300,000, I wouldn't be living with my parents, driving a Saturn, and be boat-less. I'd be in my own house, have a boat and a Xterra in the driveway. Not because I need those things to make me happy, but because they are things I enjoy. Taking a 50% cut in pay would be hurtful... having a taste of those things you want, then having them disappear.
I don't think anyone here could say that they would ENJOY taking a 50% pay cut. OR that they wouldn't indulge in some of life's material pleasures if they were making a high-end wage.
I don't think anyone here could say that they would ENJOY taking a 50% pay cut. OR that they wouldn't indulge in some of life's material pleasures if they were making a high-end wage.
Vingus
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Just imagine what his means would be without Air Inc. I agree that he must have some big alimony payments or something to have to dig into savings.
BTW, I've got no beef with Air Inc, in fact, I gave them about 200.00 bucks of my cash for their product while I was in the job search mode. I actually think that he has a good product, especially the monthly newsletter that gives info on all the companies and whether they are hiring or not.
The only beef I have with him is that he seems to make more money when the rest of us are a bit more desperate. If we could all get great jobs with ease, he'd be out of a job. Saying that, he does fill a niche that is needed. Of course, as soon as I got hired, I cancelled my membership and he didn't get another dime.
BTW, I've got no beef with Air Inc, in fact, I gave them about 200.00 bucks of my cash for their product while I was in the job search mode. I actually think that he has a good product, especially the monthly newsletter that gives info on all the companies and whether they are hiring or not.
The only beef I have with him is that he seems to make more money when the rest of us are a bit more desperate. If we could all get great jobs with ease, he'd be out of a job. Saying that, he does fill a niche that is needed. Of course, as soon as I got hired, I cancelled my membership and he didn't get another dime.
av8trxx
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Just don't get upset if you run into a sudden loss of income and find little sympathy or understanding.
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I left a $45K/yr job for one that pays in a month what I easily used to make in two weeks. I have 'felt the pain' myself of a 50% paycut but still manage to make the mortgage. But if it happens again (I am sure it will in this business), I'll keep that in mind. Not that I am getting sympathy now... Maybe down the road I can sell my $80K Beemer if necessary too!.
Just don't get upset if you run into a sudden loss of income and find little sympathy or understanding.
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I left a $45K/yr job for one that pays in a month what I easily used to make in two weeks. I have 'felt the pain' myself of a 50% paycut but still manage to make the mortgage. But if it happens again (I am sure it will in this business), I'll keep that in mind. Not that I am getting sympathy now... Maybe down the road I can sell my $80K Beemer if necessary too!.
flyover
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Just don't get upset if you run into a sudden loss of income and find little sympathy or understanding.
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I left a $45K/yr job for one that pays in a month what I easily used to make in two weeks. I have 'felt the pain' myself of a 50% paycut but still manage to make the mortgage. But if it happens again (I am sure it will in this business), I'll keep that in mind. Not that I am getting sympathy now... Maybe down the road I can sell my $80K Beemer if necessary too!.
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Well at least you've got that going for you!
OK truce. I feel the need to defend Kit because he once signed some paychecks I cashed. There's nothing that engenders loyalty from me like giving me a job.
I think he put on his airline pilot cap for the interview and the reporter used his quotes to fit her story. Remember reporters usually have the story before they start the investigation.
Kit is doing just fine, I'm sure.
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Just don't get upset if you run into a sudden loss of income and find little sympathy or understanding.
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I left a $45K/yr job for one that pays in a month what I easily used to make in two weeks. I have 'felt the pain' myself of a 50% paycut but still manage to make the mortgage. But if it happens again (I am sure it will in this business), I'll keep that in mind. Not that I am getting sympathy now... Maybe down the road I can sell my $80K Beemer if necessary too!.
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Well at least you've got that going for you!
OK truce. I feel the need to defend Kit because he once signed some paychecks I cashed. There's nothing that engenders loyalty from me like giving me a job.
I think he put on his airline pilot cap for the interview and the reporter used his quotes to fit her story. Remember reporters usually have the story before they start the investigation.
Kit is doing just fine, I'm sure.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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I'd be in my own house, have a boat and a Xterra in the driveway
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In my own house, yes. I miss that. But I'd probably drive a Saturn or a Prius. I've been living below the $20K/yr mark for so long, I think anything above $40K would be like stepping into bright sunlight after living in a cave for two years. I might splurge and buy an airplane.
I'd be in my own house, have a boat and a Xterra in the driveway
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In my own house, yes. I miss that. But I'd probably drive a Saturn or a Prius. I've been living below the $20K/yr mark for so long, I think anything above $40K would be like stepping into bright sunlight after living in a cave for two years. I might splurge and buy an airplane.
flyover
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In my own house, yes. I miss that. But I'd probably drive a Saturn or a Prius. I've been living below the $20K/yr mark for so long, I think anything above $40K would be like stepping into bright sunlight after living in a cave for two years. I might splurge and buy an airplane.
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Now you are talking. Airplanes and motorcycles are legitmate investments. Cars on the other hand...... Put is this way, I operate a fleet of six cars that I could probably get $35,000 for (the fleet, not each car). Like I tell my kids; "What do you need paint on the car for?"
In my own house, yes. I miss that. But I'd probably drive a Saturn or a Prius. I've been living below the $20K/yr mark for so long, I think anything above $40K would be like stepping into bright sunlight after living in a cave for two years. I might splurge and buy an airplane.
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Now you are talking. Airplanes and motorcycles are legitmate investments. Cars on the other hand...... Put is this way, I operate a fleet of six cars that I could probably get $35,000 for (the fleet, not each car). Like I tell my kids; "What do you need paint on the car for?"