European Routes ? HELP!

nyk

nyk

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I was wondering if I can get any advise on routes into Europe and throughout Europe. Is there a website that provides valid routes as we all know European air routes aren't as kind as the US ones. My job doesn't do a lot of European routes but when we do a MIA-AMS flight I'm always curious if there are preferred routes in Europe like there are here. I have been on the desk literally for hours trying to get old routes to validate but I believe there has to be a better way then that. Also I want to learn not just copy and paste.
 
Additionally, Eurocontrol is a pain in the ass, and copying and pasting is the best way to do it. Since I'm a glutton for punishment, I am known for pulling out the charts and hand planning my routes from coast in to destination---just depends how much patience you have to fix the errors returned back by CFMU.
 
Check the Route Availability Document and the North Atlantic European Routing System in the enroute section of your Jepps.

If your airline has a secure sign on to CFMU you can get suggested routes, but if you don't then use your Jepps.
 
PlaneFan82 said:
Additionally, Eurocontrol is a pain in the ass, and copying and pasting is the best way to do it. Since I'm a glutton for punishment, I am known for pulling out the charts and hand planning my routes from coast in to destination---just depends how much patience you have to fix the errors returned back by CFMU.
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Well sometimes I don't have the time to do that working 8 planes in one shift. I just really want to learn not copy and paste but thanks.

69beers said:
Check the Route Availability Document and the North Atlantic European Routing System in the enroute section of your Jepps.

If your airline has a secure sign on to CFMU you can get suggested routes, but if you don't then use your Jepps.
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Ill be sure to look for that as well.

Thanks guys!
 
nyk said:
Well sometimes I don't have the time to do that working 8 planes in one shift. I just really want to learn not copy and paste but thanks.


Ill be sure to look for that as well.

Thanks guys!
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At one of my previous carriers, I would choose just 1 flight to build a route from scratch, and then another once I got more comfortable. You will learn that once you are out of London ACC it's pretty easy....except for France...they are a pain.
 
McCrosky said:
"IFPS changes accepted" in the filing and see what they give ya.

Or what some of my coworkers have done; just file it, ignore the REJ, and leave it for your relief to figure out after the plane is halfway to Europe.
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How else does one qualify for dispatcher of year awards??? C'mon....it builds character!
 
McCrosky said:
Or what some of my coworkers have done; just file it, ignore the REJ, and leave it for your relief to figure out after the plane is halfway to Europe.
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Have you witnessed the day shifter who's in the persistent vegetative state actually file CFMU into submission? File, REJ, refiled same FPL, REJ, refiled same FPL, REJ, refiled same FPL, REJ, refiled same FPL, REJ, refiled same FPL, REJ, refiled same FPL, ACK. The next day, does the exact same thing to the exact same flight. What stuns me the most is she actually notices the REJ.
 
Has anyone else said it? RocketRoute.
http://www.rocketroute.com/tour
https://fly.rocketroute.com/credits/product?id=5&ext=1


This does everything. With graffics? Don't like it. Click and drag on map. Do your W&B. Fuel Calculations. File your flight plans from ANY place in the WORLD. Trust me, I've done it. Theres a lot of one way route in Europe. It finds the right one. Lost of MAA's in Europe, it tell yous. Print off airport and approach charts. This is the ultimate tool of this decade.
 
If your company has a login to the Eurcontrol Network operations portal site, once you log in, there is a option on the right hand middle part of the webpage once you login where you can throw in your city pairs and estimated time of departure and it will give you a list of Eurocontrol approved routes and it will even get you to the Nattrack Entry points if the tracks are valid during the time you are looking for an approved route. If I actually had a log-in, I could tell you exactly where to find it on the page but it saved me a lot when I was on the international dispatch stuff.
 
PlaneFan82 said:
You will learn that once you are out of London ACC it's pretty easy....except for France...they are a pain.
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QFT.

Also, the UK & Ireland SRD (Standard Routing Document) has standard routing to get you through UK and Irish airspace...just try and avoid France.

Go here and click on the additional documents tab to get the latest SRD. Hope this helps!

http://www.nm.eurocontrol.int/RAD/
 
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CFMU has been suggested and you best option IFPS reroute Eurocontrol will help also I have called when really stuck and wanted to help. Make sure to use the test function in CFMU. Now if you really want to be lazy find a route between JFK-AMS and pull it up on flight aware and start with that. Not that I have but seen it done.
 
Figby said:
QFT.

Also, the UK & Ireland SRD (Standard Routing Document) has standard routing to get you through UK and Irish airspace...just try and avoid France.

Go here and click on the additional documents tab to get the latest SRD. Hope this helps!

http://www.nm.eurocontrol.int/RAD/
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That website looks like it will help. I assume they send out monthly new routes right? We rarely fly into UK but we go through there airspace and to get to AMS. Thanks again.
 
Squirrel said:
CFMU has been suggested and you best option IFPS reroute Eurocontrol will help also I have called when really stuck and wanted to help. Make sure to use the test function in CFMU. Now if you really want to be lazy find a route between JFK-AMS and pull it up on flight aware and start with that. Not that I have but seen it done.
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I've called as well to Eurocontrol flight planning and they never answer and the one time I called the connection was bad they said call back. I did and they never answered again lol
 
Curious as to what flight planning software you are using? It's usually a flight level issue when our system produces a route that won't validate. If you download the RAD as a PDF, you can "control F" and enter the error number for a fast search. If you still can't get it to validate after making appropriate FL changes, there is always the quick fix of entering IFPS Reroute Accepted in line 18. Eurocontrol will adjust the route and file it as such.
 
YES FINALLY! That RADs page is a life saver! It validated on the first try. First time for everything! Even though we don't fly out of LHR what I did was I used that as a point to start until on a track then I just picked a random route from AMS to LHR. Thanks again everyone for the help. Feels great when something works!
 
womanpilot73 said:
Curious as to what flight planning software you are using? It's usually a flight level issue when our system produces a route that won't validate. If you download the RAD as a PDF, you can "control F" and enter the error number for a fast search. If you still can't get it to validate after making appropriate FL changes, there is always the quick fix of entering IFPS Reroute Accepted in line 18. Eurocontrol will adjust the route and file it as such.
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We use Navtech which in our version only has IFPS Validate button I don't see the IFPS Reroute button. The RAD is a life saver I think and this way I learn the coast in and out points and so on. That was the whole idea behind the help here.
 
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