European Air Transport (DHL) 737 crash Vilnius, Lithuania

Unverified but this is the "rumor" from crew interviews (same info I got from a 757CA at SwiftAir of Spain who operated the 737):
1. The plane came in hot (too fast for the approach)
2. Pilots got the wrong frequency
3. Confusion in the cockpit because they´re not able to contact tower
4. Pilots don´t notice they are below glidepath (struggling with coms)
5. Suddenly they see the ground
6. Pilots pull up... right into a stall
7. perfect example of a CFIT
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It probably won't be too long (vs most accidents) before we know if this is indeed what crew interviews revealed. If it were true, I'd be curious to see an explanation as to why the crew didn't switch back to approach freq (the approach controller did try to issue a landing clearance last min in case they were still up) and ask what was going on (unless comms went dead).

Not a good look, but it would probably be the 600th time in commercial aviation a distraction like that led to CFIT if true. So many times a baggage door on a GA plane, light or warning or nuisance in a 121 flight deck ect became a hull loss. Hopefully, for the sake of the crew, this isn't the case. Things can go pear-shaped real fast in jets.
 
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ChasenSFO said:
Unverified but this is the "rumor" from crew interviews (same info I got from a 757CA at SwiftAir of Spain who operated the 737):


It probably won't be too long (vs most accidents) before we know if this is indeed what crew interviews revealed. If it were true, I'd be curious to see an explanation as to why the crew didn't switch back to approach freq (the approach controller did try to issue a landing clearance last min in case they were still up) and ask what was going on (unless comms went dead).

Not a good look, but it would probably be the 600th time in commercial aviation a distraction like that led to CFIT if true. So many times a baggage door on a GA plane, light or warning or nuisance in a 121 flight deck ect became a hull loss. Hopefully, for the sake of the crew, this isn't the case. Things can go pear-shaped real fast in jets.
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If there’s any truth to this, then the PF worrying only about PFing and nothing else, would be a start.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Unverified but this is the "rumor" from crew interviews (same info I got from a 757CA at SwiftAir of Spain who operated the 737):


It probably won't be too long (vs most accidents) before we know if this is indeed what crew interviews revealed. If it were true, I'd be curious to see an explanation as to why the crew didn't switch back to approach freq (the approach controller did try to issue a landing clearance last min in case they were still up) and ask what was going on (unless comms went dead).

Not a good look, but it would probably be the 600th time in commercial aviation a distraction like that led to CFIT if true. So many times a baggage door on a GA plane, light or warning or nuisance in a 121 flight deck ect became a hull loss. Hopefully, for the sake of the crew, this isn't the case. Things can go pear-shaped real fast in jets.
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I was once working on an airplane at KVNY on what we called the "back ramp" at the place known as "The Person Who Shall Not Be Named Aviation", this afforded me an unobstructed view of the runway. Because I'm a dork I still look when I hear an airplane throttled up or even just flying over, it's not uncommon for me to hear something that sounds interesting while at home and run outside to try and figure out what is making that noise. Anyways, on that particular day I think was preflighting a G200 and a certain Citation went scooting down the runway (34L, not 16R because of the winds) and I watched it pass by and went back to what I was doing for a moment but something (maybe it was an audible difference in what I was accustomed to) made me look over my right shoulder and I saw that sadly familiar fire and column of black smoke. After the investigation was made public it turned out the nose baggage door hadn't been secured properly prior to take-off and apparently this was the primary cause of the accident. The airplane should have been able to continue flying and land but it didn't.

NTSB Releases Preliminary Report On Van Nuys Citation Accident | Aero-News Network

Conflicting Reports On Whether Luggage Door Was Open Below is the unedited NTSB Preliminary Report on the fatal crash of a Cessna CitationJet (C| Published: Fri, Jan 26, 2007 | Aero-News Network
www.aero-news.net
 
ChasenSFO said:
Unverified but this is the "rumor" from crew interviews (same info I got from a 757CA at SwiftAir of Spain who operated the 737):


It probably won't be too long (vs most accidents) before we know if this is indeed what crew interviews revealed. If it were true, I'd be curious to see an explanation as to why the crew didn't switch back to approach freq (the approach controller did try to issue a landing clearance last min in case they were still up) and ask what was going on (unless comms went dead).

Not a good look, but it would probably be the 600th time in commercial aviation a distraction like that led to CFIT if true. So many times a baggage door on a GA plane, light or warning or nuisance in a 121 flight deck ect became a hull loss. Hopefully, for the sake of the crew, this isn't the case. Things can go pear-shaped real fast in jets.
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Stall/spin is definitely not CFIT.
 
Tiptank said:
Stall/spin is definitely not CFIT.
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While I agree with you on principle, it sounds like in this case the approach was let to deteriorate so far below the glide slope that someone in the cockpit only yanked back on the yoke literally right before they were going to hit the ground. The resulting accelerated stall, wing drop and incipient spin (which happens when one knee jerk yanks back on the yoke), while technically the start of a stall/spin, isn’t really causal and calling it a stall/spin accident really misses the point of what happened to get them there in the first place. This whole conversation is semantics though and if you watch the latest video I suspect you’d agree that they flew that sucker into the ground.
 
Wardogg said:
Hmmm it’s just a YouTube link.
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Yeah, it’s definitely something on my end. It says something about having to log in to see the video, then opens up a new window (where I’m logged in to YouTube) but nothing that lets me see the original video…it’s a weird loop somehow.

For some reason the video loads for me now…???
 
SteveC said:
Yeah, it’s definitely something on my end. It says something about having to log in to see the video, then opens up a new window (where I’m logged in to YouTube) but nothing that lets me see the original video…it’s a weird loop somehow.

For some reason the video loads for me now…???
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lol. Well problem solved.
 
Wardogg said:
lol. Well problem solved.
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Here is what I get when I click on the video:

IMG_1378.jpeg
 
knot4u said:
I was once working on an airplane at KVNY on what we called the "back ramp" at the place known as "The Person Who Shall Not Be Named Aviation", this afforded me an unobstructed view of the runway. Because I'm a dork I still look when I hear an airplane throttled up or even just flying over, it's not uncommon for me to hear something that sounds interesting while at home and run outside to try and figure out what is making that noise. Anyways, on that particular day I think was preflighting a G200 and a certain Citation went scooting down the runway (34L, not 16R because of the winds) and I watched it pass by and went back to what I was doing for a moment but something (maybe it was an audible difference in what I was accustomed to) made me look over my right shoulder and I saw that sadly familiar fire and column of black smoke. After the investigation was made public it turned out the nose baggage door hadn't been secured properly prior to take-off and apparently this was the primary cause of the accident. The airplane should have been able to continue flying and land but it didn't.

NTSB Releases Preliminary Report On Van Nuys Citation Accident | Aero-News Network

Conflicting Reports On Whether Luggage Door Was Open Below is the unedited NTSB Preliminary Report on the fatal crash of a Cessna CitationJet (C| Published: Fri, Jan 26, 2007 | Aero-News Network
www.aero-news.net
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Claymore Lace-up Aviation?
 
ahw01 said:
Claymore Lace-up Aviation?
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Yes. I can recall over a decade earlier working as line guy at KBUR and a C150 that I'd actually done some training in took off on RWY15, and again, because I'm a dork I paused what I was doing and was watching it climb away. Sometime just prior to the intersection of 15 and 8 the engine went quiet and the plane pitched down, hit the very end of the runway, tumbled over the blast fence and landed upside down on top of a Mazda RX-7 in a parking lot on the other side of Empire Ave. No one was hurt, the airplane was totaled, turned out the pilot had been somewhat negligent during their preflight and left the seat belt hanging out of the R/H door when they closed it. Apparently once airborne the buckle on that belt started banging on the side of the fuselage making a horrible noise that convinced that pilot that the engine was about to fall off the airplane and they were looking death in the face so they pulled the throttle back and tried to land on the remaining runway and although they survived and they walked away I wouldn't count it as a successful landing.
 
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