Epic LT down at Spruce Creek, 2 fatalities

That's just sad if fog related.
DAB and its ILS is minutes away, so is SFB and probably better wx there...
 
BigZ said:
That's just sad if fog related.
DAB and its ILS is minutes away, so is SFB and probably better wx there...
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RIP.
Just trying to figure out the witness statement: A witness told a 911 dispatcher he had seen the plane fly into the fog and that the plane was “in an inverted flat spin when he came out of the fog."
Where, precisely, was this witness standing? Hovering over the orb of omniscience?
How can one see a plane go into the fog, then come out, AND determine that it emerged in an inverted flat spin? To me that says either a. not much -and/or extremely high (clouds?)- fog involved or b. some mighty perspicacious peeping powers. If a., WTF, over? If b., ... same.
 
Crop Duster said:
RIP.
Just trying to figure out the witness statement: A witness told a 911 dispatcher he had seen the plane fly into the fog and that the plane was “in an inverted flat spin when he came out of the fog."
Where, precisely, was this witness standing? Hovering over the orb of omniscience?
How can one see a plane go into the fog, then come out, AND determine that it emerged in an inverted flat spin? To me that says either a. not much -and/or extremely high (clouds?)- fog involved or b. some mighty perspicacious peeping powers. If a., WTF, over? If b., ... same.
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I always assumed fog was clouds on the ground, perhaps there was a low ceiling?
 
Crop Duster said:
RIP.
Just trying to figure out the witness statement: A witness told a 911 dispatcher he had seen the plane fly into the fog and that the plane was “in an inverted flat spin when he came out of the fog."
Where, precisely, was this witness standing? Hovering over the orb of omniscience?
How can one see a plane go into the fog, then come out, AND determine that it emerged in an inverted flat spin? To me that says either a. not much -and/or extremely high (clouds?)- fog involved or b. some mighty perspicacious peeping powers. If a., WTF, over? If b., ... same.
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It was an eye witness. What else do you want but physical impossibilities.
Little bit of bad weather and some top gun, goose is dead and voila - an Epic crashed.
 
That area can and does get fogged in solid on occasion, but only 10% of the time the fog would get to DED which is 20nm west.
RIP..
 
Crop Duster said:
RIP.
Just trying to figure out the witness statement: A witness told a 911 dispatcher he had seen the plane fly into the fog and that the plane was “in an inverted flat spin when he came out of the fog."
Where, precisely, was this witness standing? Hovering over the orb of omniscience?
How can one see a plane go into the fog, then come out, AND determine that it emerged in an inverted flat spin? To me that says either a. not much -and/or extremely high (clouds?)- fog involved or b. some mighty perspicacious peeping powers. If a., WTF, over? If b., ... same.
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Hard to imagine transitioning from a GPS approach to an inverted spin in a non-aerobatic airplane. The chain of events required to accomplish an inverted spin...


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CFI A&P said:
Hard to imagine transitioning from a GPS approach to an inverted spin in a non-aerobatic airplane. The chain of events required to accomplish an inverted spin...


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Right?!? :confused:
 
CFI A&P said:
Hard to imagine transitioning from a GPS approach to an inverted spin in a non-aerobatic airplane. The chain of events required to accomplish an inverted spin...


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It's not hard for me to imagine. An epic LT is probably super overpowered with a large prop. Stall it and cob in heaps of power and that airplane is going on its back. When I flew the TBM 700 one of the demos was a torque roll. It was eye opening. Many of the fatal accidents in the TBM 700 are 1/4 mile to the left of final from a stall, torque roll and spin. The laws of physics don't care if your airplane is aerobatic or not.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
It's not hard for me to imagine. An epic LT is probably super overpowered with a large prop. Stall it and cob in heaps of power and that airplane is going on its back. When I flew the TBM 700 one of the demos was a torque roll. It was eye opening. Many of the fatal accidents in the TBM 700 are 1/4 mile to the left of final from a stall, torque roll and spin. The laws of physics don't care if your airplane is aerobatic or not.
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Yeah, that sucker has 1200 SHP with a gross weight of 7500 lbs.
 
It seems these aircrafts are equipped w/synthetic vision etc... Pretty hard to understand why someone would try something like this with New Smyrna right next to it....
 
This is one of the air parks down there isn't it? Probably because they can park their airplane right in their house and go lay on the couch.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
It's not hard for me to imagine. An epic LT is probably super overpowered with a large prop. Stall it and cob in heaps of power and that airplane is going on its back. When I flew the TBM 700 one of the demos was a torque roll. It was eye opening. Many of the fatal accidents in the TBM 700 are 1/4 mile to the left of final from a stall, torque roll and spin. The laws of physics don't care if your airplane is aerobatic or not.
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There is a difference between rolling from torque and an inverted spin. Rolling from torque is an issue with WWII airplanes. Crashes from go-around and missed approaches are often located where you describe the TBM accident sites. The large horsepower aircraft also have other characteristics, such as they require right rudder during left turns, due to the left turning tendencies being more significant than adverse yaw. Not so much in a O-200 powered one fiddy or something larger that is equipped with a yaw dampener.

Three most common ways that you can enter an inverted spin: Intentionally, cross over spin & botched hammerhead. None of which are flight profiles anywhere near an instrument approach or a missed approach. Also, altitude loss varies with spin and I figure about 500' per turn. So given the visibility, how many turns could the eyewitness have actually seen?



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BEEF SUPREME said:
It's not hard for me to imagine. An epic LT is probably super overpowered with a large prop. Stall it and cob in heaps of power and that airplane is going on its back. When I flew the TBM 700 one of the demos was a torque roll. It was eye opening. Many of the fatal accidents in the TBM 700 are 1/4 mile to the left of final from a stall, torque roll and spin. The laws of physics don't care if your airplane is aerobatic or not.
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There was a TBM deal at MWC about a year ago. Report wasn't out last time I checked, but I'm going to go with probable cause: pilot error. The pilot error? Full power for go around at low speed, high AOA and insufficient rudder application resulting in near-ground torque roll into the infield. It's a problem in any high power-to-weight single. But still, in @CFI A&P 's defense, that's not an inverted flat spin.

Edit: after writing this I scrolled to @CFI A&P 's post. He needs no defense help. He well made his own.
 
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