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wheelsup said:
If you truly want to go to AA, as your #1, I would go to Envoy, PSA, or PDT. Why? The vast, VAST majority of new hires are and will be flows from those three carriers. The rest of the new hires are prior military. The amount of new hires hired off the street that are former commuter 121 with no mil background is staggeringly low. The only people I know who work at AA now were hired prior to hiring being done in Dallas under the one brand. I knew 11 guys hired in the ~12 months leading up to me getting hired, and another half dozen afterwards, and have known ZERO who have even gotten a call to interview once they went to hiring solely via AA.

To put it in perspective, I applied to AA on Oct 2 2013 and have yet to get a call, yet I hold a line on the Airbus on the US side after being hired to it last year.

Not saying it won't happen, but the chances are pretty slim.
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If you have AA as your #1 go to Envoy or Piedmont.

If you want PIC go to PSA. Unless PSA gets the flow to change to a higher rate like Envoy, it will be a very long wait for a new hire today, with no chance to be hired outside the flow like Envoy pilots.
 
Trip7 said:
Its a guaranteed interview but essentially a flow as no one gets turned down unless the specifically say they do not want to go to AA. 99% pass rate so far
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I heard PSA doesn't want #4 to increase in order to meet their staffing requirement.

But even if the increase to 12 is true, at 1200 pilots. That's 10 yr wait minus a few not wanting AA and what not. I say 8-9yrs.
 
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Would the new hire in 2015 fall under hire after DOS or after 10/11/2011?

Btw what is DOS?

What's scary is that this "contract" specify in misc that it's not guaranteed.
 
Pendergast said:
I heard PSA doesn't want #4 to increase in order to meet their staffing requirement.

But even if the increase to 12 is true, at 1200 pilots. That's 10 yr wait minus a few not wanting AA and what not. I say 8-9yrs.
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1200/144=8.33. Because...Math.

The top 90+ already bypassed.
 
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Pendergast said:
Would the new hire in 2015 fall under hire after DOS or after 10/11/2011?

Btw what is DOS?

What's scary is that this "contract" specify in misc that it's not guaranteed.
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I worked with a guy who admitted he used sick time as schedule enhancement. In the prior three years he'd called in sick 24 times. Do you want to be covering for people like him?

I'm against flows but only because the company can't say "no" to people that clearly aren't major material. I'd much rather the slots go to those professional enough to treat the job like a career even if the place they are working at isn't so great.
 
I think Peidmont's flow is the real deal now that I take a closer look at it unlike Envoy's flow which is not much for new hires isn't even guaranteed as per misc section
 
I have a small hunch that if push comes to shove, PSA will reduce their -200 fleet count to allow for the staffing of the larger CRJs. I read somewhere the planned retirement of them happens in 2018. Just something to consider.
 
Here is more math.
wheelsup said:
I have a small hunch that if push comes to shove, PSA will reduce their -200 fleet count to allow for the staffing of the larger CRJs. I read somewhere the planned retirement of them happens in 2018. Just something to consider.
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As of right now, there is a line to get in the door. No problems hiring, but that can change overnight.

And to date, no one from PSA that showed up for the mainline interview wearing a suit was denied the job. It is just a formality. Again, that can change, but it is a way that they can screen out people like the guys that call in sick 35 times in 3 years. It gives a little incentive to do a good job. I don't have a problem with that.
 
wheelsup said:
I have a small hunch that if push comes to shove, PSA will reduce their -200 fleet count to allow for the staffing of the larger CRJs. I read somewhere the planned retirement of them happens in 2018. Just something to consider.
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The 200's are profitable and aren't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. The first (of a lot) of the leases only begins to come up in 2018, many are into the 2020's. We aren't having any trouble staffing. We are having a hard time getting enough CAs right now though (hence essentially why we are hiring "street captains").

Pendergast said:
I heard PSA doesn't want #4 to increase in order to meet their staffing requirement.

But even if the increase to 12 is true, at 1200 pilots. That's 10 yr wait minus a few not wanting AA and what not. I say 8-9yrs.
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That doesn't account for PSA pilots going to other airlines. With the hiring projected over the next 5 years, not many of those at regionals now should still be there. I have heard that the PSA "preferential interview" or whatever we have will go to a flow (ala PDT and Envoy) of 12 p/month to increase proportionately with our pilots on property up to 15 p/month. I don't know when they are going to implement this but that's the latest I've heard.

And just a note to anyone who sees this... Don't believe everything you read on APC. In fact, take 80% of what you read there with a grain of salt. There is a lot of misinformation to be found. Many don't want to see PSA or its pilots succeed due to what they perceive as PSA "backstabbing the industry". If anyone is interested in what is really going on, good and bad, feel free to ask. I won't sugar coat anything for you like some will, there are negatives to being here. But some of the things you read out there are simply preposterous.
 
chrisreedrules said:
The 200's are profitable and aren't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. The first (of a lot) of the leases only begins to come up in 2018, many are into the 2020's. We aren't having any trouble staffing. We are having a hard time getting enough CAs right now though (hence essentially why we are hiring "street captains").



That doesn't account for PSA pilots going to other airlines. With the hiring projected over the next 5 years, not many of those at regionals now should still be there. I have heard that the PSA "preferential interview" or whatever we have will go to a flow (ala PDT and Envoy) of 12 p/month to increase proportionately with our pilots on property up to 15 p/month. I don't know when they are going to implement this but that's the latest I've heard.

And just a note to anyone who sees this... Don't believe everything you read on APC. In fact, take 80% of what you read there with a grain of salt. There is a lot of misinformation to be found. Many don't want to see PSA or its pilots succeed due to what they perceive as PSA "backstabbing the industry". If anyone is interested in what is really going on, good and bad, feel free to ask. I won't sugar coat anything for you like some will, there are negatives to being here. But some of the things you read out there are simply preposterous.
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I think you need to come to your senses and understand that the *only* reason PSA is not having any issues staffing is because of the huge amount of transferred aircraft arriving daily.

At the tail end of that, you're going to become the new Endeavor/ASA/XJT etc. It's just the way it is.
 
wheelsup said:
I think you need to come to your senses and understand that the *only* reason PSA is not having any issues staffing is because of the huge amount of transferred aircraft arriving daily.

At the tail end of that, you're going to become the new Endeavor/ASA/XJT etc. It's just the way it is.
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As soon as the rapid movement stops there is really no reason to go there. If you're gonna get stuck, might as well get stuck somewhere where you'll get paid.
 
wheelsup said:
I think you need to come to your senses and understand that the *only* reason PSA is not having any issues staffing is because of the huge amount of transferred aircraft arriving daily.

At the tail end of that, you're going to become the new Endeavor/ASA/XJT etc. It's just the way it is.
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I mean... I think the only safe bet is that no one knows what is going to happen in the future. After all the growth is done, could we become the next Endeavor/ASA/XJT? Perhaps. But only if the industry stagnates like it did post 9/11 and something keeps the majors and llc's from hiring. Or (the outcome I foresee and hope for), we could continue to hire for attrition off the top even after the growth ends and still offer a reasonable upgrade time and path to AA. But, a million things can change between now and the end of 2017 (when we are projected to be at "optimum fleet capacity"). So literally no one knows what will happen with any of the regionals. I do think it is safe to say that if you want to work at AA, you will likely need to go through a wholly owned. Of those wholly owneds, PSA has the best advantage for the foreseeable future. And if you don't want to work at AA, PSA offers a relatively quick upgrade for the next couple years and you will get the coveted TPIC time and be even more competitive for whatever job you seek.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
As soon as the rapid movement stops there is really no reason to go there. If you're gonna get stuck, might as well get stuck somewhere where you'll get paid.
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PDT and Envoy are going to have similar contracts once their new jets start arriving. Pay will be just about the same among all the AAG wholly owneds.
 
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