Envoy (Eagle) Passes TA

[Trip7]

That's something I absolutely agree with. We're all just pointing out something you may want to look into with your postings. Namaste, etc.

I've looked at all my postings. There is no insinuation of being lazy. Somehow stay positive and stop complaining about folks who you think are inferior to you turned into a discussion about the luck and the lottery. Outside of context, feel free to point out any posts I've missed.

The folks I see getting hired right now don't have a chip on the shoulder mentality. They have a passionate and positive attitude.

 

[dasleben]

The folks I see getting hired right now don't have a chip on the shoulder mentality. They have a passionate and positive attitude.

Tell that to the former Atlas pilot who told everyone he flew with right before he left that he "Was just the type of pilot Delta was looking for" (former RJ FO, did a year here). Went over like a lead balloon.

Anyway, you may heed or not heed any of this information presented to you about all this. JC doesn't have Pro Stan.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Anyway, you may heed or not heed any of this information presented to you about all this. JC doesn't have Pro Stan.

We have Unprofessional Standards.

(Fireball, anyone?)

 

[Phil Schuyler]

Seriously? An popular inspirational quote is "talking down"?

http://lifehacker.com/luck-is-what-happens-when-preparation-meets-opportunit-821189862

Read the article this link takes you to. It's an interesting perspective on lucky vs. unlucky. And I have to say it makes a lot of sense. Unlucky people are that way because they are focused on a certain outcome, rather than taking advantage of what comes their way. The article didn't say this, but it makes me think of Neil Armstrong. The man didn't set out to be the first man on the moon. He's simply used his talents to their best effect. That was the preparation. The opportunity came when the Lunar Module wasn't ready in time for the original Apollo 8 mission. When asked about being chosen to be the first man on the moon, his reply was: "I wasn't chosen to land on the moon. I was chosen to command that mission. Circumstance put me in that role. That wasn't planned by anybody"

Now apply this to the Envoy/PSA situation. You can complain about not getting to upgrade at Envoy for the next 10 years, or you can see that PSA is going to need 300 new captains in the next two years, and get your application in.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Understand that your situation was (and is) not the norm. Yes, it worked for you. And yes you worked hard to get where you are. But luck also played a large part in how it worked out. Some guys may get a bit salty with your constant Kit Darbying (did I just make a verb?) because not once do you mention the luck factor. For every one of you, there are 5 or 10 guys who have been in the same amount or even more effort that you did and yet while you are shining the widget on your hat brass, they are grabbing their flashlight to go do a walk around on an RJ in XYZville.

Incidentally, there are many good times to be had in Bumblefrak, CA, that I didn't know I could have. Wouldn't trade the experience for much of anything.

No some times luck is just luck.

When the meteorite hits you it's just being unlucky, when the meteorite hits the guy next to you it's call just being lucky.

Gann would argue that's more the workings of Fate, actually. I consider the operationally odd stuff (getting struck by a meteorite would certainly count) that has happened to be more a matter of fate than luck.

I need to re-read that.

 

[Trip7]

Tell that to the former Atlas pilot who told everyone he flew with right before he left that he "Was just the type of pilot Delta was looking for" (former RJ FO, did a year here). Went over like a lead balloon.

Anyway, you may heed or not heed any of this information presented to you about all this. JC doesn't have Pro Stan.

Once again the message is clear. A passionate and positive attitude is one of the keys to career success. My aim is to switch folks mindset from the negative to the positive. There is too much good happening right now to be weighed down by the bad. You will succeed. It's all in your mindset.

"I can tell you that RJ time, lots of 135 PIC, and several years of overwater heavy jet time got me nowhere close to Delta."- is not a mindset for success, it's a chip on the shoulder mindset. Didn't Derg threaten you the next time you went Debbie Downer on yourself?

When a individual sets their mind right, success will follow. Anyway, you may heed or not heed any of this information presented to you about all this. JC doesn't have Pro Stan.

 

[dasleben]

"I can tell you that RJ time, lots of 135 PIC, and several years of overwater heavy jet time got me nowhere close to Delta."- is not a mindset for success, it's a chip on the shoulder mindset. Didn't Derg threaten you the next time you went Debbie Downer on yourself?

I'm all about spreading positivity, but you need to step back and see how it is for people right now. In my case, I'm 2.5 years shy of 767 CA at my shop, see a good future, and I'm really not pushing hard for a Legacy carrier. What I'm being right now is an advocate for those who don't have the ability to say "You know what, I think I'll just stay put." Thankfully, through a lot of dumb luck, I've got that choice. Many people do not, and that needs to be respected. Don't be the guy who luckboxes himself into a mainline job, and is now qualified to tell everyone how it is, and how it should be done.

 

[Trip7]

Don't be the guy who luckboxes himself into a mainline job, and is now qualified to tell everyone how it is, and how it should be done.

Lucky people generate their own good fortune via four basic principles. They are skilled at creating and noticing chance opportunities, make lucky decisions by listening to their intuition, create self-fulfilling prophesies via positive expectations, and adopt a resilient attitude that transforms bad luck into good.

Wiseman studied the lives of 400 people over the course of 10 years and watched for any lucky breaks or chance encounters—both good and bad—they had along the way. He discovered that some people are prone to worse luck than others, but it may be possible to create your own good fortune by tweaking your perspective on things.

In interviews with the study's volunteers, he realized that unlucky people are typically more anxious and tend to more hyperfocused on the specifics of a situation. Lucky people, on the other hand, are more laid-back and open to whatever opportunities present themselves.

 

[surreal1221]

Oh boy....

This thread just went to full awesome.

@Trip7, since it would appear you're sourcing an academic peer-reviewed study of some sort could you at least abide by traditional graduate level standards by citing the material properly so that those unfamiliar can review it for themselves?

 

[JustinS]

Oh boy....

This thread just went to full awesome.

@Trip7, since it would appear you're sourcing an academic peer-reviewed study of some sort could you at least abide by traditional graduate level standards by citing the material properly so that those unfamiliar can review it for themselves?

Looks like he got it all from his original link he posted.

http://lifehacker.com/luck-is-what-happens-when-preparation-meets-opportunit-821189862

http://richardwiseman.com/resources/The_Luck_Factor.pdf

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

Oh boy....

This thread just went to full awesome.

@Trip7, since it would appear you're sourcing an academic peer-reviewed study of some sort could you at least abide by traditional graduate level standards by citing the material properly so that those unfamiliar can review it for themselves?

 

[Roger Roger]

It's really hilarious from the outside to see how fast things went from "many guys are going to be stuck at a regional for a career so let's try to make them livable places to work" to "eff the regionals, you'll only be there a couple years". It'll be really amusing when the next geopolitical event and scope slip happen.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

It's really hilarious from the outside to see how fast things went from "many guys are going to be stuck at a regional for a career so let's try to make them livable places to work" to "eff the regionals, you'll only be there a couple years". It'll be really amusing when the next geopolitical event and scope slip happen.

No, it really won't.

 

[Roger Roger]

No, it really won't.

I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm sure the bean counters are already working on a strategy for alleviating increasing labor costs when this major hiring wave starts to accrue some longevity.

 

[Seggy]

The next scope issue (and all around biggest threats) is going to be with foreign carriers up to and including foreign ownership.

 

[Roger Roger]

The next scope issue (and all around biggest threats) is going to be with foreign carriers up to and including foreign ownership.

#denynai

 

[AAPalmTree]

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity

I agree. Everyone I know that has been hired in the last few years has networked their butts off. Lucky? Yes. That's just the numbers. I have sat on many regional jumpseats and have seen the FO's working harder to get out than the CA. I did EVERYTHING possible to get out. All my classmates did too. If that's what you're doing, keep the faith.

 

[HVYMETALDRVR]

I'm all about spreading positivity, but you need to step back and see how it is for people right now. In my case, I'm 2.5 years shy of 767 CA at my shop, see a good future, and I'm really not pushing hard for a Legacy carrier. What I'm being right now is an advocate for those who don't have the ability to say "You know what, I think I'll just stay put." Thankfully, through a lot of dumb luck, I've got that choice. Many people do not, and that needs to be respected. Don't be the guy who luckboxes himself into a mainline job, and is now qualified to tell everyone how it is, and how it should be done.

In my opinion, (and again I say mine) I feel you guys have some of the best scheduling flexibility in the industry which is why I've been trying to get in. My latest career jump has taught me how important a good schedule is, even if the W2 is bigger.

Not saying DL or United don't get great schedules either, but it seems like it takes years to reach that point at those carriers. It surprises me how quickly guys are bailing you guys to start over at one of the above carriers. As for American/Airways? Every narrow-body guy I talk to keeps bellyaching how he's getting 12-13 days off per month that's not really commutable.

Damn shame. Rant over...

 

[dasleben]

Lucky people generate their own good fortune via four basic principles. They are skilled at creating and noticing chance opportunities, make lucky decisions by listening to their intuition, create self-fulfilling prophesies via positive expectations, and adopt a resilient attitude that transforms bad luck into good.

Wiseman studied the lives of 400 people over the course of 10 years and watched for any lucky breaks or chance encounters—both good and bad—they had along the way. He discovered that some people are prone to worse luck than others, but it may be possible to create your own good fortune by tweaking your perspective on things.

In interviews with the study's volunteers, he realized that unlucky people are typically more anxious and tend to more hyperfocused on the specifics of a situation. Lucky people, on the other hand, are more laid-back and open to whatever opportunities present themselves.

Honestly, I think you're being willfully ignorant, if not downright condescending to a lot of posters in this thread. You're passing off your own good fortune for having a better perspective/attitude than others, and that is really, really unbecoming. You need to understand that the chances of getting a call from your shop are very slim, particularly for a regional FO who went in lacking TPIC. Many, many others with stronger qualifications, stronger internal recs, and good attitudes are not getting the call that you received.

As for me? I haven't updated my Delta app in months, so don't even think about turning this around on me for having a chip on my shoulder, or simply being jealous.

In my opinion, (and again I say mine) I feel you guys have some of the best scheduling flexibility in the industry which is why I've been trying to get in. My latest career jump has taught me how important a good schedule is, even if the W2 is bigger.

Not saying DL or United don't get great schedules either, but it seems like it takes years to reach that point at those carriers. It surprises me how quickly guys are bailing you guys to start over at one of the above carriers. As for American/Airways? Every narrow-body guy I talk to keeps bellyaching how he's getting 12-13 days off per month that's not really commutable.

Damn shame. Rant over...

To be fair, we still have a lot of work to do in 2016 in order to improve our schedules further. We'll get there.

But yeah, I agree. The idea of jumpseating to JFK to sit reserve every 2-3 days sounds awful to me. While I'd eventually have a better W2 than what I have now, I live quite comfortably now, with a lifestyle I enjoy. A typical trip here though is 9-12 days, which might not work for others. Personally though, I enjoy the long stretches of time off. Go home, grow a beard, surf, forget how to fly airplanes. It's a pretty simple, Zen lifestyle, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[wheelsup]

But yeah, I agree. The idea of jumpseating to JFK to sit reserve every 2-3 days sounds awful to me. While I'd eventually have a better W2 than what I have now, I live quite comfortably now, with a lifestyle I enjoy. A typical trip here though is 9-12 days, which might not work for others. Personally though, I enjoy the long stretches of time off. Go home, grow a beard, surf, forget how to fly airplanes. It's a pretty simple, Zen lifestyle, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Since being on reserve come spring of 2014 as a reserve at US I've worked 6-10 days a month, after you get off short call you sit at home. My record was 23 days off in a row. Reserve at the majors is vastly different than the commuters...