Envoy DFW-TYR

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obx

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Seems weird. From AV Herald:

An Envoy Embraer ERJ-140 on behalf of American Airlines, registration N830AE performing flight MQ-3499/AA-3499 from Dallas Ft. Worth,TX to Tyler,TX (USA), was on approach to Tyler at about 2500 feet MSL when the crew was handed off to tower. Upon contacting the tower the crew did not receive a reply and went around. The crew subsequently decided to return to Dallas Ft. Worth, where the aircraft landed safely about 25 minutes later.

The airport reported that their staff had been informed about an issue with the flight, appearing to be a miscommunication between the airline's operations desk and the airport staff. The flight returned to Dallas by captain's decision. Another flight crew completed the flight later.

The aircraft departed Dallas again and reached Tyler with a delay of 2.5 hours.
 
Sounds like the tower was closed and they were unable to obtain their required airport advisory from ops or the Unicom. Yes, we actually do have do that and it's something that the company is serious about. So much so that guys are afraid to land without obtaining one.
 
I see. Can't blame them then. Looks like the tower closes at 2200 local. They departed DFW about 2124. I guess that if they couldn't get their required advisory, they headed back to DFW. I'd do the same if ops left me dangling.
 
OPS spec require a field report prior to landing. Shouldn't be afraid of landing without one, you just shouldn't do it.
 
Field report can be given by a local FSS or our station personnel. If we can't raise ops because nobody is listening, we are prohibited from landing.
 
Comair 100ER said:
Field advisory as in other air traffic or ground traffic in and around the field, not just weather. Most of the time it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. Where it could come in handy is if there was a plow or something on the runway.
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That's what the CTAF is for.
 
Hey, I didn't write the policy. I just follow it.

However, the FAA doesn't like it when carriers land at an airport (especially at night) without us talking to someone that can see the runway and see that it isn't obstructed. It's just an additional layer of safety.
 
Comair 100ER said:
Field advisory as in other air traffic or ground traffic in and around the field, not just weather. Most of the time it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. Where it could come in handy is if there was a plow or something on the runway.
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I remember one time going into GCK and my field report consisted of "uhhhhh the weather is good, and I uhhhhh clear you to land."

o_O
 
bLizZuE said:
Hey, I didn't write the policy. I just follow it.

However, the FAA doesn't like it when carriers land at an airport (especially at night) without us talking to someone that can see the runway and see that it isn't obstructed. It's just an additional layer of safety.
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You are the only carrier, even 121, that I have ever heard of that has this.
 
z987k said:
Some ops guy on the ground isn't going to have a clue about a guy without a radio in class E.
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Technically the ops agent is suppose to visually check the runway to see if there is any traffic, whether it's a truck or an airplane. Did a lawyer write this? Most likely, however it's not up to the pilot to determine which rules need to be followed. If it's in the book, it's in the book.

If I remember correctly, this started to be an issue a few years ago when some management type got a hard-on in making sure crews were completing this task, along with making sure the FO's bag was properly placed (for weight and balanced issues) unsecured behind the last row of seats, and not in the closet like everyone had been doing since they first started flying the jet.
 
z987k said:
You are the only carrier, even 121, that I have ever heard of that has this.
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This is also a requirement at Horizon for certain airports, or at least it used to be. Pullman and Redmond come to mind. Maybe one of the QX guys can chime in...
 
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