Entry Level King Air C90 Co-pilot 2/4/2006

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Entry Level Co-pilot needed in April/May. Part 135 Charter - 91 ops. Job duties entails the following : maintain appearance of aircraft, assist the captain in preparing the aircraft for the flight, load and unload the baggage and assist the customer/owner, maintain aircraft and Jeppsen revisions. Pick up catering and maintain cabin, complete company expense reports for the captain signature. On days off you will assist the aircraft owner in non-aviation duties. Job is located at FXE.
Commercial, instrument and multi-engine. Training will be provided by SimCom.
Monthly salary to be discussed at the interview, innsurance, 401(k)
sonnyhgd@bellsouth.net
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Hey atleast they're gonna send you to SimCom and pay a salary...better than some others I have seen! Probably beats instructing...
 
I dunno, lotts red flags on that one. "On days off you will assist the aircraft owner in non-aviation duties" is usually code for 'will wash owner's cars, mow owner's lawn", etc.

It's also kinda got me wondering just what the pilot does, other than fly the plane.
 
aloft said:
I dunno, lotts red flags on that one. "On days off you will assist the aircraft owner in non-aviation duties" is usually code for 'will wash owner's cars, mow owner's lawn", etc.

It's also kinda got me wondering just what the pilot does, other than fly the plane.
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Its so much better to be completely contract for stuff like this. That way on days off you can fly for someone else.
 
aloft said:
I dunno, lotts red flags on that one. "On days off you will assist the aircraft owner in non-aviation duties" is usually code for 'will wash owner's cars, mow owner's lawn", etc.

It's also kinda got me wondering just what the pilot does, other than fly the plane.
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You say that like there is something wrong with having work duties other than being a pilot.

In my book, if an employer is up front about the duties involved in the job, there is no reason in the world that he couldn't (or shouldn't) expect an employee to be productive for the hours that he is being paid. If that means helping keep the plane clean or market product or assist wrench-turners, then so be it. If an aircraft owner wants to hire a pilot, but doesn't have enough flying duties to keep him busy full-time, I don't see any problem with assigning other duties, as long as the work load is reasonable and doesn't affect safety of flight issues.
 
SteveC said:
You say that like there is something wrong with having work duties other than being a pilot.

In my book, if an employer is up front about the duties involved in the job, there is no reason in the world that he couldn't (or shouldn't) expect an employee to be productive for the hours that he is being paid. If that means helping keep the plane clean or market product or assist wrench-turners, then so be it. If an aircraft owner wants to hire a pilot, but doesn't have enough flying duties to keep him busy full-time, I don't see any problem with assigning other duties, as long as the work load is reasonable and doesn't affect safety of flight issues.
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While you make excellent points, the problems I have with this job include:

1) Not having any days off. Per the posting, on your "off" days (I'm assuming from flying) you'll be working non-aviation stuff. Working 30 days a month just isn't fun.

2) Being a C90, flying as a co-pilot on part 91 legs won't be loggable (unless of course the arrangement is for you to fly the 91 legs).

3) While you make an excellent point about the posting being upfront with additional duties, why isn't the posting upfront about salary? Something sounds fishy...

For someone with 250 hours and a wet commercial, this *could* be a good entry level gig. However, if the aircraft flies 10-20 hours a month, this job could suck. It'll take you forever to become competitive for other, more desireable corporate jobs.

Personally, I didn't become a pilot to wash airplanes or sell product, no matter how much 'extra' it paid. To each his own :).

~wheelsup

EDIT: I had a buddy take up an offer like this as a PIC in a navajo. His "additional" duties ended up being demo'ing high performance boats for prospective buyers down in south florida. I suppose I could go for something like that :).
 
You think that job is bad, look at this one. And this company isn't joking.

Piston helicopter pilot/truck driver 2/5/2006
Seeking Viet Nam Era helicopter pilot to fly company-owned helicopter among company locations in Illinois and Indiana. Will drive Class A CDL company truck when not flying. Must live in Chicago or near West or near Southwest suburbs. $35,000 plus health insurance.
Town and Country Utilities, Inc.
Contact: thomas volini
Forest View, Illinois
Phone: 708-267-4453
Fax: 708-458-0625
vtavolini@aol.com

L.S.
 
did anyone send in an email for the king air position? just wondering, cause i sent them an email and all i got back was an automated email from the website posting that add with a password to be able to browse the site. for the ones who applied, did anyone get this too??
 
SteveC said:
You say that like there is something wrong with having work duties other than being a pilot.

In my book, if an employer is up front about the duties involved in the job, there is no reason in the world that he couldn't (or shouldn't) expect an employee to be productive for the hours that he is being paid. If that means helping keep the plane clean or market product or assist wrench-turners, then so be it. If an aircraft owner wants to hire a pilot, but doesn't have enough flying duties to keep him busy full-time, I don't see any problem with assigning other duties, as long as the work load is reasonable and doesn't affect safety of flight issues.
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So if one hires their own personal attorney to handle their legal matters (not a firm), do you think it would be reasonable to ask for that person to wash the cars during their down time?
 
Jetlinker said:
SteveC said:
You say that like there is something wrong with having work duties other than being a pilot.

In my book, if an employer is up front about the duties involved in the job, there is no reason in the world that he couldn't (or shouldn't) expect an employee to be productive for the hours that he is being paid. If that means helping keep the plane clean or market product or assist wrench-turners, then so be it. If an aircraft owner wants to hire a pilot, but doesn't have enough flying duties to keep him busy full-time, I don't see any problem with assigning other duties, as long as the work load is reasonable and doesn't affect safety of flight issues.
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So if one hires their own personal attorney to handle their legal matters (not a firm), do you think it would be reasonable to ask for that person to wash the cars during their down time?
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Sure, as long as you have both agreed to the terms of payment and scope of work beforehand. Good luck finding a young, poor starving lawyer that needs your legal business bad enough to agree to wash your car as well, but what the heck, knock yourself out looking for one.

I don't see what your (apparent) objection is to this kind of arrangement? If I were an employer and wanted to hire a pilot full time, but knew that I would only be using his piloting services one or two or three days a week, then why not get some additional work done on the other few days? If I'm paying for a full time employee there certainly isn't anything wrong with expecting to receive a reasonable amount of productive work in exchange, is there? So what if the work performed is not all in that employee's prime area of expertise?
 
SteveC said:
Sure, as long as you have both agreed to the terms of payment and scope of work beforehand. Good luck finding a young, poor starving lawyer that needs your legal business bad enough to agree to wash your car as well, but what the heck, knock yourself out looking for one.

I don't see what your (apparent) objection is to this kind of arrangement? If I were an employer and wanted to hire a pilot full time, but knew that I would only be using his piloting services one or two or three days a week, then why not get some additional work done on the other few days? If I'm paying for a full time employee there certainly isn't anything wrong with expecting to receive a reasonable amount of productive work in exchange, is there? So what if the work performed is not all in that employee's prime area of expertise?
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From an employer's perspective, you are correct. Unfortunately lawyers aren't as willing to • themselves out as pilots are, so finding someone to wash your car and do your laundry on their off days in exchange for you allowing them to fly your shiney airplane is not hard to do. I have a friend that recently turned down a flying job because he was not willing to sell cars during his down time. He politely told the guy that he was a professional pilot, he would set up and run a safe and efficient flight department, but that he would not participate in duties outside of the operation of the airplane. I very much respect him for standing his ground, but unfortunately some other genious probably come along behind him and begged for the job.
 
UND_Flyer said:
Has anyone talked to these guys or received an e-mail?
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I sent them an email, but all I got back was a password for the site that the job posting was listed. Other than that, I havent recieved anything from the actually company. Did you send them an email??
 
rasec said:
I sent them an email, but all I got back was a password for the site that the job posting was listed. Other than that, I havent recieved anything from the actually company. Did you send them an email??
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Yes, I've send them an e-mail on Monday and I haven't heard back...
 
UND_Flyer said:
Yes, I've send them an e-mail on Monday and I haven't heard back...
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well i sent mine about 2 weeks ago, and I still havent recieved anything. Let meknow if you get something. Do you live down in S. Fla?
 
rasec said:
well i sent mine about 2 weeks ago, and I still havent recieved anything. Let meknow if you get something. Do you live down in S. Fla?
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Well, I still haven't heard anything, and I don't think I will. Either they've already closed the position or the ad was just a bluff.
 
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