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Kingairer said:
Take it easy. As I said not a big deal. The jumspeat form doesn't say cass code, it says airline. The dullision seems to effect those with some sort of flow number.
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Well, we all have a "flow number" - yet another thing you seem to know nothing about. Not a big deal, most pilots that work for your airline are clueless.

(see how that sounds?)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
True story. That was at 9E. The guy has since quit 9E. I don't know where he went. He was a horse-owner and I believe he had some type of horse/farming business. He was looking at buying some huge land in Michigan for his business. Maybe he just walked out of aviation.

Edit: He was one of my more memorable CAs because on any 3 or 4 day trip with him, he would buy one lunch or one dinner at some point. My TGI Fridays bill was covered by him ($17-18 dollars worth) on more than one occasion. Very good guy and I only hope he found green pastures elsewhere.
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Green pastures? Was that a horse breeding pun?

If so well done.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I've flown with people like that. They're usually crappy pilots.
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You realize you just accused me of being a "crappy pilot," right?

If Delta mainline called me tomorrow with a class date, I'd turn it down. If I was still at 9E, I'd have taken it, but I wouldn't have stopped looking for employment elsewhere. Once you've been beaten to a bloody pulp emotional and mentally by a company, it kinda destroys your will to work for them. Plus, I'd have to commute no matter where I'd be based, and I don't want to deal with the knife in the back from my own co-workers.
 
kellwolf said:
You realize you just accused me of being a "crappy pilot," right?

If Delta mainline called me tomorrow with a class date, I'd turn it down. If I was still at 9E, I'd have taken it, but I wouldn't have stopped looking for employment elsewhere. Once you've been beaten to a bloody pulp emotional and mentally by a company, it kinda destroys your will to work for them. Plus, I'd have to commute no matter where I'd be based, and I don't want to deal with the knife in the back from my own co-workers.
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Except it wasn't Delta Air Lines that did that to you, it was Pinnacle Corp Holdings.
 
kellwolf said:
You realize you just accused me of being a "crappy pilot," right?

If Delta mainline called me tomorrow with a class date, I'd turn it down. If I was still at 9E, I'd have taken it, but I wouldn't have stopped looking for employment elsewhere. Once you've been beaten to a bloody pulp emotional and mentally by a company, it kinda destroys your will to work for them. Plus, I'd have to commute no matter where I'd be based, and I don't want to deal with the knife in the back from my own co-workers.
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I said usually.

You have valid reasons. Most do not. Most of the guys who I have heard say that are lazy and I think use that as an excuse to justify not applying or holding themselves to a higher standard.
 
kellwolf said:
You realize you just accused me of being a "crappy pilot," right?

If Delta mainline called me tomorrow with a class date, I'd turn it down. If I was still at 9E, I'd have taken it, but I wouldn't have stopped looking for employment elsewhere. Once you've been beaten to a bloody pulp emotional and mentally by a company, it kinda destroys your will to work for them. Plus, I'd have to commute no matter where I'd be based, and I don't want to deal with the knife in the back from my own co-workers.
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in your case you are just ugly and too tall. Flying part is fine, but my God. Seriously.

Wuv you!
 
kellwolf said:
You realize you just accused me of being a "crappy pilot," right?

If Delta mainline called me tomorrow with a class date, I'd turn it down. If I was still at 9E, I'd have taken it, but I wouldn't have stopped looking for employment elsewhere. Once you've been beaten to a bloody pulp emotional and mentally by a company, it kinda destroys your will to work for them. Plus, I'd have to commute no matter where I'd be based, and I don't want to deal with the knife in the back from my own co-workers.
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Before you say that I am fat and bald, remember, I also smell funny.
 
kellwolf said:
If Delta mainline called me tomorrow with a class date, I'd turn it down. If I was still at 9E, I'd have taken it, but I wouldn't have stopped looking for employment elsewhere. Once you've been beaten to a bloody pulp emotional and mentally by a company, it kinda destroys your will to work for them. Plus, I'd have to commute no matter where I'd be based, and I don't want to deal with the knife in the back from my own co-workers.
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I get what your saying, it is one of the many reasons I don't want to work for AA after being at Eagle.
 
<— doesn't believe in flows.

Looks good on paper when it's dangled in front of your face during a concessionary contract ratification, but I'd rather have a sharp, motivated regional FO than a senior captain who sat on his duff for the last decade through several hiring waves that's just going to complain about how good his schedule was over beers in Malaga, Spain.
 
kellwolf said:
Oh Delta had a hand in it. I don't buy into 100% of what management said but I experienced enough direct abuse that I have no desire to work there if I can help it.
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It's still Pinnacle Corp. Delta Air Lines management also had to adjust the SkyWest fleet but look at how SkyWest management handled that. They minimized the loss of regional aircraft in the Delta Connection system.
 
Derg said:
<— doesn't believe in flows.

Looks good on paper when it's dangled in front of your face during a concessionary contract ratification, but I'd rather have a sharp, motivated regional FO than a senior captain who sat on his duff for the last decade through several hiring waves that's just going to complain about how good his schedule was over beers in Malaga, Spain.
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It's too bad that every major airline hiring department doesn't see it that way. I'm motivated like nobody's business, but that won't get me an interview. Only several thousand hours of "command PIC" will do that. The problem isn't performing well in the interview, it's getting the call in the first place.
 
CAPIP1998 said:
It's too bad that every major airline hiring department doesn't see it that way. I'm motivated like nobody's business, but that won't get me an interview. Only several thousand hours of "command PIC" will do that. The problem isn't performing well in the interview, it's getting the call in the first place.
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Actually, if you're well networked, you're talking to someone that started the interview process before he even had a lick of turbine PIC. And I'll bet you a dollar, the post is going to get liked by another member who had the same success as well. Recently.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It's still Pinnacle Corp. Delta Air Lines management also had to adjust the SkyWest fleet but look at how SkyWest management handled that. They minimized the loss of regional aircraft in the Delta Connection system.
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SkyWest also didn't have about $50 million dollars withheld from them by Delta.

I'm not saying Pinnacle Corp. is off the hook for how it all went down but because of the timing of PNCL's position and the need for that $50 mil Delta easily forced PNCL to Ch. 11. All you have to do is go back to memos and e-mails and SEC filings leading up to Ch. 11 and it's easy to see that Delta simply didn't play ball forcing PNCL to Ch. 11.

Now it can also be argued that had PNCL kept their financial house in better order there wouldn't have been any issue but the fact remains Delta's actions at the time leading up to Ch. 11 certainly forced PNCL's hand. Delta saw an opportunity to get what they wanted and they took it.

I understand @kellwolf's frustration as well as anyone else's. Personally, I view it as "just business" and wouldn't let it sway my decision to go work for them.
 
bronco21016 said:
SkyWest also didn't have about $50 million dollars withheld from them by Delta.

I'm not saying Pinnacle Corp. is off the hook for how it all went down but because of the timing of PNCL's position and the need for that $50 mil Delta easily forced PNCL to Ch. 11. All you have to do is go back to memos and e-mails and SEC filings leading up to Ch. 11 and it's easy to see that Delta simply didn't play ball forcing PNCL to Ch. 11.

Now it can also be argued that had PNCL kept their financial house in better order there wouldn't have been any issue but the fact remains Delta's actions at the time leading up to Ch. 11 certainly forced PNCL's hand. Delta saw an opportunity to get what they wanted and they took it.

I understand @kellwolf's frustration as well as anyone else's. Personally, I view it as "just business" and wouldn't let it sway my decision to go work for them.
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Um, no. Delta had absolutely no interest in paying for training of Colgan US Airways Express Saab drivers to be retrained onto the United Express side as bases closed (BOS, for example). Had 9E been standalone, and only faced training costs associated within their own operation - upgrading and newhires, then Delta would have continued paying. It was the fact management decided to combine the entire operation together and then let everyone jump across the certificate to wherever they wanted to go. Complete and utter chaos and disaster.

@jtrain609
@Screaming_Emu

Honest question, how is it that ExpressJet, SkyWest, and ASA are all owned by one holding company yet continue to operate as three separate airlines with three separate lists? That was another disaster 9E management walked right into by combining all three Colgan/Mesaba/Pinnacle waaay too early.
 
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