CoffeeIcePapers
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65k indentured servant bond required. They’ve join the ranks of Republic and Skywest.
Endeavor joins the training contract party
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CoffeeIcePapers
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They had it worse. People actually paid for training out of pocket.
scooter2525
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They paid 19k a year to start
drunkenbeagle
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Adjusted for inflation, that's about $65k now vs. 1983.
YES!
I remember when I got a congratulatory call to interview at Comair in 1995. The phone call even mentioned finance options.
JDean3204
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And sometimes pilots paid to work after training. Crazy
Roger Roger
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Everything old is new again
milleR
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I want to say first year pay at C5 when I started in 2012 was $22/hour, $31 today when adjusted for inflation, which doesn’t sound horrible until you consider you only credit about 1,000 hours per year.
DE727UPS
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Anybody have a link? Not seeing anything with a google search
I worked for a Part 135 freight company from 1998-2000. They had a $12,000 training contract, which was pro-rated over 12 months (i.e., if you left after 10 months, you owed $2,000). There wasn't much hiring at the regional level at the time, so I didn't really have a problem signing the contract - I figured it would be at least a year or two before I could land a job at the regionals. Also, the company actually paid pretty well at the time (for a Part 135 gig).
Meanwhile, pilots with actual money (not us freight dogs) would pay for training. Comair had a deal where you paid $12,000 for training, then "made" a grand total of $14,500 as a first-year FO. The math didn't make much sense to me.
Meanwhile, pilots with actual money (not us freight dogs) would pay for training. Comair had a deal where you paid $12,000 for training, then "made" a grand total of $14,500 as a first-year FO. The math didn't make much sense to me.
scooter2525
Very well Member
There were a few in the mid 2000s that started there.
scooter2525
Very well Member
That’s what I tell myself in the mirror every morning.
same in the early-mid 90s, but there was no training contract, even though our freight side was owned by Skywest. Made good money for 135, as it was constant money. Freight side management treated us well, a couple guys left for Simmons to fly ATRs, Wings West to fly J31s or United Feeder Service to fly ATPs (RJs had not come out yet), but a lot of us stuck around because the job was easy and home based, and the airlines weren’t majorly hiring anyway.
flyinggreasemnky
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I thought it was bad when I signed a $15k promissory note in 2012 for $22.95/hr to fly 170s/190s at Republic.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
$19.01 for me on the 1900 in 2012 when I started, and then $23.95 when I went to the Saab in 2013. Flight attendants started at $19.00 so the joke was that we got $19 for the passenger briefing and $.01 to fly the 1900.
JDean3204
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Just my thoughts here, no data to back it up…
I’d say they’re joining the train on contracts not because of low demand now, but maybe mitigating another wave in the next two years. I think if we stay green in the economy, we will have another push from late 2026-2028. Just based on project fleet growth and retirements, providing plane builders can keep on track.
So they don’t want another wave of people leaving their operations thin at best.
Again just my thoughts, also this push will only be half as much as 22-23 but still a push causing some thought on retention at the regional level those years.
I’d say they’re joining the train on contracts not because of low demand now, but maybe mitigating another wave in the next two years. I think if we stay green in the economy, we will have another push from late 2026-2028. Just based on project fleet growth and retirements, providing plane builders can keep on track.
So they don’t want another wave of people leaving their operations thin at best.
Again just my thoughts, also this push will only be half as much as 22-23 but still a push causing some thought on retention at the regional level those years.
phill1174
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There’s a lot of people that hope you’re right.
phill1174
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The more things change the more they stay the same. I was hoping more folks would tells SkyWest and other shops with training contracts to kick rocks but it totally went the other direction. Folks thought that signing one would get them ahead of everyone else and some still ended up waiting over a year for a class date.
I’m fortunate my timing was right and I got hired when they were paying bonuses to come to Endeavor. Even better when we rolled the bonuses into pay rates.
I’m fortunate my timing was right and I got hired when they were paying bonuses to come to Endeavor. Even better when we rolled the bonuses into pay rates.
I was on salary at the commuters.
If you worked on a day off, there's an extra $75 to make it "interesting"... but that's per trip, not per day.