Endeavor Hiring
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BayouMLU
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I have never heard of unexpected construction at an airport. I understand the challenges construction can have, but it affects everyone.
Delta mainline has a major presence at JFK, LGA, and EWR, but has top-of-industry stats...I wouldn't blame the weather...
Hecklers2002
M.82
4 on 3 off. Numerous shift times. Bids every quarter.
LateStarter
Well-Known Member
Did you ever get a date for the interviews in MSP?
TrotFox ADX
Well-Known Member
Wow it's lower pay then 3 years ago when my friend started with them...there application process is an ABSOLUTE joke too
MT
Well-Known Member
Wow... Going to go to any length to prove me wrong huh?
One good month does not erase the past. I could pull up months of data showing them in last place with completion factor numbers as low as 90% but it is really not worth it.
Where an airline proves itself is not in a VFR weather month like April was, but during a massive irop and how quickly they can recover.
If they are finally improving after 10 years as the laughing stock of regional aviation then good for them.
One good month does not erase the past. I could pull up months of data showing them in last place with completion factor numbers as low as 90% but it is really not worth it.
Where an airline proves itself is not in a VFR weather month like April was, but during a massive irop and how quickly they can recover.
If they are finally improving after 10 years as the laughing stock of regional aviation then good for them.
Hecklers2002
M.82
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Well don't forget, you're saying endeavor and I think you mean Pinnacle. Endeavor is a little different creature historically. Yes, the pay rates look like Pinnacle, the staffing problems look like Pinnacle, but operationally this place is a little more on the ball than Mesaba so expect those numbers to stay high.
I think if you're getting at one good month does not a great operation make, you have a point. Delta dumped so much money into this place to make it run like an airline I think you'll see those numbers stay high.
For the record I'm not an Endeavor defender, as you can see from a wealth of posts.
Hecklers2002
M.82
I agree. I keep saying that Endeavor's numbers has been top of the DCI carriers. NOT Pinnacle. In a previous post I mentioned the track record since big brother bought them out. I'm no supporter of any particular airline because at the end if the day, it's only the bottom line that matters. But I hate when people put opinion over plain old facts aka hard numbers.
Plus a lot of the members on here are fresh out of school looking for their first gig. In my opinion working for ANY regional sucks payscale wise. At Endeavor it sucks even more. But the experience you gain is invaluable.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I agree with some of that. Factually Endeavor is a lot different company but you have to remember pilots are pilots. I still think of Silver as Gulfstream, Air Tran is still Valuejet in my head. Even at this company people naturally identify themselves as Mesaba or Colgan or Pinnacle. I don't call Fedex "Tiger" because I wasn't around for that. I've been in some jumpseats where guys mockingly say, "This is a NWA cockpit, so excuse us for our accents and how cold it is up front."
You can get good experience at all the regionals. You'll get paid like crap at all the regionals, but remember, 10k doesn't sound like a lot but it's a world of difference when you're living it. I made 50-60k as a Mesaba FO on the 900 my last two years prior to BK. That's a lot better than making 30-40 or 40-50 like some other 900 FO's in the regional industry. Year after year, making more than your fellow industry pilots, means paying down debt faster and being finacially free sooner. Or if you're a spender, you can have more shiny crap than anyone else to fill your house and sell in may during the nieghborhood garbage sale.
MT
Well-Known Member
Ok. If you want to compete separate Endeavor from Pinnacle then you can skew the numbers however you like and then yes they have not been around for 10 years. However those of us in the industry know when a turd is being polished. Why do you think we laugh at rebranding efforts like Envoy, Endeavor, and the always classic Surejet. You can not escape the past in this industry.
The only data I have you're going to call BS on because it is proprietary and my job is not worth winning a pointless discussion.
I concede. It is Pinnacle not Endeavor then that was the laughing stock of the industry who cancelled their way out of the most minor of IROPs. It was Pinnacle that was in so much trouble they were making it on operations reports from big brother. Except that this practice continued even last year after the endeavor name took effect.
Really who is better is pointless. No regional is should be a career destination. Unless you want it to be. The pay sucks, you're treated worse, and you do the same job as are mainline counterparts. However we go to get that experience and I never once said that that was a bad thing.
The only data I have you're going to call BS on because it is proprietary and my job is not worth winning a pointless discussion.
I concede. It is Pinnacle not Endeavor then that was the laughing stock of the industry who cancelled their way out of the most minor of IROPs. It was Pinnacle that was in so much trouble they were making it on operations reports from big brother. Except that this practice continued even last year after the endeavor name took effect.
Really who is better is pointless. No regional is should be a career destination. Unless you want it to be. The pay sucks, you're treated worse, and you do the same job as are mainline counterparts. However we go to get that experience and I never once said that that was a bad thing.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
That's somewhat understandable.
Just a thought though, it's 1100 Mesaba guys thrown into there and we weren't a laughing stock. Of the 3100 pilots that were Endeavor 1880 remain. The percentage loss leader is (predictably) Mesaba from the original Seniority List, but once the Pinnacle guys get broken of PTSD (Pinnacle+Trenary Stress Disorder)- which may take a decade- the place really is something new.
Flagship_dxer
Penske Material
Endeavor will always have staffing problems. It is set up and run to be a stepping stone operation. Envoy, Skywest, Piedmont, Air Wisconsin and to a certain degree ExpressJet tend to have more people in all areas of the company that make it a career.
At least on the dispatch side, the manager of dispatch is former Pinnacle. Pinnacle dispatch is a much larger group than Mesaba and Colgan. Thus you are always going to have the same mentality and issues the larger group had. The move from MEM to MSP took away almost all of the experience there was leaving a large group of dispatchers that had no experience and not many people to guide the ship. Moving the SOC from MSP to MEM and back to MSP really hurts a company operationally. New dispatchers make mistakes that seasoned dispatchers seldom make. It is no different on the pilot side but new pilots have a lot more training and support. New dispatchers get two weeks in a classroom, a few weeks OJT then its out on your own with 40-50 flights a shift.
The low pay at Endeavor ensures that it remains a revolving door in dispatch. The positive is that people get to majors pretty quick but operationally you lose experience and replace them with even less experience. This is particularly true when majors hire a bunch all at once.
From a performance perspective, most of the sector supervisors that do the equipment routings and cancellations come from the dispatch group. When this position has a lot of inexperience, you are going to have poor numbers operationally. Having crew schedulers in this position makes it even worse. Most of the crew schedulers in the Endeavor sector supervisor positions have no clue about MEL or ATC issues. The company does not really train them about this stuff so there often is not a lot of proactive routing for MEL issues. Most airlines do all they can to keep a lot of experience in their coordinator/sector supervisor/sector manager positions because of how important it is to keeping the operation running efficiently.
At least on the dispatch side, the manager of dispatch is former Pinnacle. Pinnacle dispatch is a much larger group than Mesaba and Colgan. Thus you are always going to have the same mentality and issues the larger group had. The move from MEM to MSP took away almost all of the experience there was leaving a large group of dispatchers that had no experience and not many people to guide the ship. Moving the SOC from MSP to MEM and back to MSP really hurts a company operationally. New dispatchers make mistakes that seasoned dispatchers seldom make. It is no different on the pilot side but new pilots have a lot more training and support. New dispatchers get two weeks in a classroom, a few weeks OJT then its out on your own with 40-50 flights a shift.
The low pay at Endeavor ensures that it remains a revolving door in dispatch. The positive is that people get to majors pretty quick but operationally you lose experience and replace them with even less experience. This is particularly true when majors hire a bunch all at once.
From a performance perspective, most of the sector supervisors that do the equipment routings and cancellations come from the dispatch group. When this position has a lot of inexperience, you are going to have poor numbers operationally. Having crew schedulers in this position makes it even worse. Most of the crew schedulers in the Endeavor sector supervisor positions have no clue about MEL or ATC issues. The company does not really train them about this stuff so there often is not a lot of proactive routing for MEL issues. Most airlines do all they can to keep a lot of experience in their coordinator/sector supervisor/sector manager positions because of how important it is to keeping the operation running efficiently.