emirates pilots
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mpenguin1
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My buddies flies for Emirates, he used to work for US Air, yes the pay is pretty good & they are hiring foreign pilot. You do have to live in Dubai though, my buddy says that Dubai is a great place, very modern, & for now, quiet. Tim is currently a First Officer on the B777, he has been employed at Emirates for over a year.
Minima-No-Contact
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EK do employ foreign pilots.
They employ foreign Airline Pilots with a heap of jet time. EK now require 2000hrs Jet before you will get a look in, however... when the A380 comes online with EK in the future, the rumour is they will have to consider having Second Officers on board.
If or when that happens, they will probably have to reduce their minimums for this position as most current airline pilots will not be heading to EK for a cruise pilot position.
They employ foreign Airline Pilots with a heap of jet time. EK now require 2000hrs Jet before you will get a look in, however... when the A380 comes online with EK in the future, the rumour is they will have to consider having Second Officers on board.
If or when that happens, they will probably have to reduce their minimums for this position as most current airline pilots will not be heading to EK for a cruise pilot position.
Minima-No-Contact
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Iain,
At the moment, I think what EK are doing on their longer flights are taking a second crew. I know that they havent started recruiting 2nd officers yet, but with plans for ultra longhaul in the future, I'd say its only a matter of time.
At the moment, I think what EK are doing on their longer flights are taking a second crew. I know that they havent started recruiting 2nd officers yet, but with plans for ultra longhaul in the future, I'd say its only a matter of time.
Minima-No-Contact
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Except with CX and QF, they employ S/O's. They are not allowed to takeoff or land the aircraft, they are purely cruise relief pilots that can occupy either seat while the Capt/FO takes a rest.
S/O's are a much cheaper option than putting a relief crew of a fully qualified Capt or FO on board just to relieve the crew during a long sector.
S/O's are a much cheaper option than putting a relief crew of a fully qualified Capt or FO on board just to relieve the crew during a long sector.
jonnyb
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Just check out their website. It's all there. http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/
Minima-No-Contact
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Aussie,
The S/O can fly either seat, and depending on the airline, they can usually fly handfly the aircraft from 10,000' up to cruise alt, and vice versa for descent.
The S/O can fly either seat, and depending on the airline, they can usually fly handfly the aircraft from 10,000' up to cruise alt, and vice versa for descent.
goldeneagle
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Emirates has been one of my target airlines to work for in the future, but you have to go there with your eyes open. Dubai is very cosmopolitan and the airline has a lot of shiny new metal coming online over the next decade, but if you browse through forums like www.pprune.org you'll see that there are a lot of disgruntled folks out there as well.
Like the Gulf Air and Cathay Pacific fiascos of the past, there is not much in the way of labor representation, no unions or options for negotiation, you just have to accept the contract as is. And they've recently pissed off a lot of their first officers by accepting Direct Entry Captains who will go straight into the left seat with much better contracts than even their own captains. Then again, it may be a case of sour grapes for some of them, time will tell. But like Hong Kong, it's getting to be a very expensive place to live, and despite the tax-free income you'll never make as much as you would back home if you convert back to dollars, pounds, etc.
Despite all this, I'd still love for a shot to work for them some day, once I have enough time, but just letting you know the grass is not always greener, especially when it's in the sandbox that's the Dubai desert!
Like the Gulf Air and Cathay Pacific fiascos of the past, there is not much in the way of labor representation, no unions or options for negotiation, you just have to accept the contract as is. And they've recently pissed off a lot of their first officers by accepting Direct Entry Captains who will go straight into the left seat with much better contracts than even their own captains. Then again, it may be a case of sour grapes for some of them, time will tell. But like Hong Kong, it's getting to be a very expensive place to live, and despite the tax-free income you'll never make as much as you would back home if you convert back to dollars, pounds, etc.
Despite all this, I'd still love for a shot to work for them some day, once I have enough time, but just letting you know the grass is not always greener, especially when it's in the sandbox that's the Dubai desert!
mpenguin1
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Like you said, sour grapes, some of the pilots that are flying in the right seat signed a contract locking them into the right seat, I think that it was for about 6 - 7 years, the pilots that signed these contracts did so before Emirates started a major expansion program. My buddy says that life sucks, but he signed the contract with his eyes wide open, oh well.
danielsexton
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Whats the requirements?
I heard their pilots get paid very well, and fly a very modern fleet...
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MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
-->Requirements for Position of Direct Entry Captain
A minimum of 10,000 hours total flying time
A minimum of 3,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 55,000 KGS MTOW
Preference for short listing will be given to A340/A330 rated pilots and those with wide body experience. A background in training would also be advantageous.
ICAO ATPL
Applicants must be less than 56 years on joining
Experience commensurate with age
-->Requirements for Position of First Officer - A330/A340 and B777
A minimum of 4000 hours total flying time
A minimum of 2000 hours multi-crew, multi-engined jet aircraft experience
ICAO ATPL
Applicants must be less than 49 years on joining
Experience commensurate with age
Type rated would be advantageous
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary (according to today's exhange rate $7,117.97)
Starting Salary is Dhs 26,145 and is reviewed annually with eligibility for step increases within scale. The salary is tax free.
FIRST OFFICER:
Monthly Salary (todays exchange rate $4,562.90)
Starting Salary is Dhs 16,760 and is reviewed annually with eligibility for step increases within scale. The salary is Tax Free.
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Is 10,000 TT typical for a FO to upgrade to Captian in the US?
Whats the requirements?
I heard their pilots get paid very well, and fly a very modern fleet...
[/ QUOTE ]
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MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
-->Requirements for Position of Direct Entry Captain
A minimum of 10,000 hours total flying time
A minimum of 3,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 55,000 KGS MTOW
Preference for short listing will be given to A340/A330 rated pilots and those with wide body experience. A background in training would also be advantageous.
ICAO ATPL
Applicants must be less than 56 years on joining
Experience commensurate with age
-->Requirements for Position of First Officer - A330/A340 and B777
A minimum of 4000 hours total flying time
A minimum of 2000 hours multi-crew, multi-engined jet aircraft experience
ICAO ATPL
Applicants must be less than 49 years on joining
Experience commensurate with age
Type rated would be advantageous
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary (according to today's exhange rate $7,117.97)
Starting Salary is Dhs 26,145 and is reviewed annually with eligibility for step increases within scale. The salary is tax free.
FIRST OFFICER:
Monthly Salary (todays exchange rate $4,562.90)
Starting Salary is Dhs 16,760 and is reviewed annually with eligibility for step increases within scale. The salary is Tax Free.
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Is 10,000 TT typical for a FO to upgrade to Captian in the US?
goldeneagle
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Yeah, it's unfortunate for some of the guys stuck with a rotten contract, but there is such an oversupply right now that they really have no leverage at all with the beancounters and suits.
And now all of a sudden they have a bunch of low cost carriers sprouting up all over the place, Etihad and Air Arabia both in the UAE. The Middle East is fast becoming a crowded market. The old dominant players like Saudia and Gulf Air are smaller and unprofitable while the UAE is growing fueled with all that petro currency. Dubai is the Hong Kong of the Middle East.
They'll have the largest A380 fleet in the world, and they're starting up service to the US and South America soon. An airline to watch.
And now all of a sudden they have a bunch of low cost carriers sprouting up all over the place, Etihad and Air Arabia both in the UAE. The Middle East is fast becoming a crowded market. The old dominant players like Saudia and Gulf Air are smaller and unprofitable while the UAE is growing fueled with all that petro currency. Dubai is the Hong Kong of the Middle East.
They'll have the largest A380 fleet in the world, and they're starting up service to the US and South America soon. An airline to watch.
