Emirates Pilots tell RT of overwork

mshunter said:
Tell that to them. Everything was filled out correctly, they have multiple messages from me, and I have yet to hear back. I've had three FMLA requests denied. One for a surgery, one for sinus infections, and now this one. With basically no recourse unless I want an attorney.
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Lawyer up. Seriously.

Especially if they are threatening discipline.

If everything is filled out properly. FMLA is not a request, it is a notification. Unlawful (Federally) for them to simply deny.
 
ctab5060X said:
Lawyer up. Seriously.

Especially if they are threatening discipline.

If everything is filled out properly. FMLA is not a request, it is a notification. Unlawful (Federally) for them to simply deny.
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Lawyers cost. I don't have any cost right now...
 
Derg said:
Any carrier worth it's cookies is going to know that regionals use these letters to threaten their pilot group and largely don't care.

Hell, the chief pilot threatened me with a retaliatory letter on my file because of some BS and I said, "if it makes you happy, go ahead, but make sure my legal counsel won't find it 'actionable'" because I was tired of being used as a pawn in a issue I wasn't involved with directly.
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Do letters like that really matter in the long run? OK so I call in sick and I get a "written warning." So? I would assume that's just an HR tool and completely internal. That's not something that would show up on PRIA, right?
 
mshunter said:
Towit, my recent car accident, and ensuing unapproved medication led to an attendance letter of "verbal warning" because my FMLA (I know, ridiculous I should even need FMLA for a car accident) was denied in typical rubber stamp fashion. I was sick three times in less than a year, then a car accident, and I'm now at risk of being punished, a letter in my file for attendance, because life happens. So now, if I want to be hireable somewhere else, I am forced to fly sick, at a dying regional.
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mshunter said:
Tell that to them. Everything was filled out correctly, they have multiple messages from me, and I have yet to hear back. I've had three FMLA requests denied. One for a surgery, one for sinus infections, and now this one. With basically no recourse unless I want an attorney.
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That is some real b.s. on their part. Have you spoken with your union rep? You need to do that like yesterday. Your well being/health and your career are far too important/valuable to put up with this kind of nonsense.
 
ctab5060X said:
@mshunter

They can't just rubber stamp a denial of FMLA.
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You know not of our contractor that is used by the organization mshunter and I are employed by.

The embarrassment that is the FMLA process very well may be borderline illegal. Those who have the power maintain it by being strategically ambiguous and only sharing what they feel those who apply for FMLA should know.
 
surreal1221 said:
You know not of our contractor that is used by the organization mshunter and I are employed by.

The embarrassment that is the FMLA process very well may be borderline illegal. Those who have the power maintain it by being strategically ambiguous and only sharing what they feel those who apply for FMLA should know.
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They've been investigated by the Georgia DOL on more than one occasion. If we had a reasonable sick call policy, like, I dunno, GoJets, we wouldn't have this problem.
 
mshunter said:
They've been investigated by the Georgia DOL on more than one occasion. If we had a reasonable sick call policy, like, I dunno, GoJets, we wouldn't have this problem.
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That's news to me. What more about this do you know? I unfortunately can't go digging as much as I had liked - but I am fascinated by cases of organizations defiantly disregarding the law. PM me.

Granted - and I speak from internal knowledge - the Georgia DOL isn't necessarily the most pro-employee state organization here in this fine cluster of counties known as Georgia.
 
jtrain609 said:
If you guys think US carriers don't write up pilots who call in sick, even when they have sick notes from their doctors explicitly telling them to not fly, then you're delusional. Regional airlines have been doing this crap for over a decade at least.
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surreal1221 said:
You know not of our contractor that is used by the organization mshunter and I are employed by.

The embarrassment that is the FMLA process very well may be borderline illegal. Those who have the power maintain it by being strategically ambiguous and only sharing what they feel those who apply for FMLA should know.
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I don't have to know of the contractor. FMLA is federal law, meaning it is the same rules that everyone must follow.

If they are denying FMLA for an eligible employee who has met the certification requirements (which sounds like mshunter has done), then FMLA may NOT be denied. Nothing borderline illegal about it... it is illegal!
 
ctab5060X said:
I don't have to know of the contractor. FMLA is federal law, meaning it is the same rules that everyone must follow.

If they are denying FMLA for an eligible employee who has met the certification requirements (which sounds like mshunter has done), then FMLA may NOT be denied. Nothing borderline illegal about it... it is illegal!
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Know that I'm not disagreeing with you.

Our organization just tends to find ways to circumvent having to deliver. It's sad.

The process is such a nightmare that eventually people throw in the towel...as seen above.
 
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