Emirates near disaster on takeoff

[Box hauler]

Is this a serious question? Many parts of the world fly magenta. It doesn’t even have to make sense. Plane said do this, so we do this.

Is this a serious answer? No crap many parts of the world fly the purple line but I imagine most of them usually look out the window in their takeoff roll.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

No that happened before I got here. I have full history of the goofball stuff here from my Dad. He got here through the Morris merger and about quit during his first year several times due to how bizarre it was. After a while you get used to it and learn to laugh just how whack-a-doodle some of these guys can get, especially the ones that have never worked for another airline. That being said so much has changed since then it is like a different company, the flight operation in particular I think has improved greatly in recent years.

Now the real fun next year will be this new FMC software update that will do geometric path descents from cruise. Just wait until someone gets going so fast downhill they go Hot-dog-on-a-sitck plaid.

I'd just be happy if they would realize you don't have to re-cruise the FMC EVERY DARNED TIME YOU LEVEL OFF. [emoji2959]

 

[Screaming_Emu]

Emirates gets a lot of hate and some of it is deserved, but Lufthansa and British Airways don't seem to have a problem with this same concept.

The notion that you need to spend 1500 hours burning holes in the sky to be a good pilot is silly.

It really depends on the details of the program, the quality of the training, and the experience level of those they’re working with when they get on the line.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

i did that with Air China. 50/50 chance they turn the direction you tell them to. Also it’s a conscience effort not to clear them for the IRS approach. As for BA and Lufthansa the only issues I have with them are speeds. You’ll assign BA 210 and they come back with in a haughty tone “we will do 213 knots…sir.” and Lufthansa has a tendency to forget about the 250 below 10k rule and just sticks with whatever speed center last assigned.

The part about Lufthansa is surprising because all of Europe is pretty strict about 250 below 10. One of my favorite parts about being in the left seat is not having some dingus telling me to “ask anyway” on departure. I’m not paying for gas, lets just leave flaps 1 out until we get above 10.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

 

[ZapBrannigan]

 

[Screaming_Emu]

I see a lot of finger pointing from people who work at airlines who have done equally dumb stuff (all of them).

 

[MikeD]

Yes, 737 for pretty much anything other than ILS.

For ILS, we set missed appch altitude at GS intercept. For non precisons flown in LNAV/VNAV, we set field elevation (so not always zeroes) so the plane can fly entire profile vertically to runway. If we go around, we set missed approach altitude in the go around profile.

I think (not sure) that SWA puts zeros in window for an ILS approach. @ZapBrannigan true?

Same in ours. Field elev set at same time, and missed altitude set at same time. But our ops profiles mirror yours, so not surprising they’re exactly the same.

 

[MikeD]

I'd just be happy if they would realize you don't have to re-cruise the FMC EVERY DARNED TIME YOU LEVEL OFF. [emoji2959]

i fly with a few guys who do that. Drives me up a wall. Especially when they use alt intervention and then go in to do it.

 

[Three Down and Locked]

Honestly this is the way it should be.

Top quality training, airline procedures from day one, heavy use of sims, and high standards. It must cost a fortune, which is why US based airlines will never go for it.

Few can recognize this... But the most stellar thing is the pay. A close friend of mine worked at a large well known airline in the same region and retired in His late 20's. $$$$$

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Is this a serious answer? No crap many parts of the world fly the purple line but I imagine most of them usually look out the window in their takeoff roll.

You would think. Or that rotate means rotate. Nah, let’s keep accelerating on the runway.

 

[Richman]

Could we merge this with the "250 hour 777 F/O" thread?

Those were exactly my first thoughts.

 

[Richman]

Emirates gets a lot of hate and some of it is deserved, but Lufthansa and British Airways don't seem to have a problem with this same concept.

The notion that you need to spend 1500 hours burning holes in the sky to be a good pilot is silly.

Only to wannabees and people with a vested, financial interest in selling the dream or keeping a low paid army of yes men button pushers.

 

[TWP]

Nah, company training from the first day past your PPL? Great plan actually.

By 200-300 hours total time you would have much better experience and pilot than someone with 1,500 total time that includes 20 ME. Congress knee-jerk on the 1,500hr rule didn’t think beyond the idea.

To each their own my friend. If you’d put your kids on the 250 hour wonder pilots first revenue flight then nobody can argue with your faith in the system. I’m personally not comfortable with it.

 

[TWP]

Evidence?

Info I came across working on my masters a few years ago.

I’ll never search for a “source” again as long as I live. And I certainly ain’t gonna put it in APA format either.

Heck maybe I’m misremembering what I read and you even get your Hazaa! moment on the internet after you dig around on google. Have fun.

 

[NovemberEcho]

The part about Lufthansa is surprising because all of Europe is pretty strict about 250 below 10. One of my favorite parts about being in the left seat is not having some dingus telling me to “ask anyway” on departure. I’m not paying for gas, lets just leave flaps 1 out until we get above 10.

dont they have high speed STARS in Europe?

 

[Richman]

To each their own my friend. If you’d put your kids on the 250 hour wonder pilots first revenue flight then nobody can argue with your faith in the system. I’m personally not comfortable with it.

Nothing screams experience like 200 hours in a simulator, doing fully scripted events where the worst thing that can happen is that you drop your bag of Funions.

 

[SteveC]

Funyons

 

[Screaming_Emu]

dont they have high speed STARS in Europe?

They might in some places, but I usually only go into a handful of airports. Plus in the last two years we’re usually peeled off and just given vectors.

 

[mightynimbus]

When the right seater said to the Captain, "hey, why is the Schwan's guy pulling up to my house?"
THAT should have been a clue.