Education Requirements

voltage1256

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Hello Everyone,

I was curious as to the "level of education" required for hiring at an airline or corporate operation. I spent a year at ERAU where I then decided it was not the right environment for me personally. I am now pursuing my associates degree in Pre-Hospital Medicine (Paramedic) where I am much happier and I continue my flight training in a Pt. 61 setting. Does only having an associates degree bar me from hiring? Do I really need a bachelors degree?

Thank you all for your time & Safe skies!
 
For the UPS, FEDEX, Delta, American/USAirways, Alaska, Hawaiian, United, Southwest, type of place a four year degree is required.

Airline recruiters from the above places are looking for well rounded individuals. People ask, 'what does that mean''? It means that getting a four year degree from a brick and mortar school will answer that question for you.
 
For the UPS, FEDEX, Delta, American/USAirways, Alaska, Hawaiian, United, Southwest, type of place a four year degree is required.

Airline recruiters from the above places are looking for well rounded individuals. People ask, 'what does that mean''? It means that getting a four year degree from a brick and mortar school will answer that question for you.

Exactly which of the above exclude properly accredited online colleges? If anything online colleges shows that a person can self-motivate and has the study skills needed to pass training.
 
Exactly which of the above exclude properly accredited online colleges? If anything online colleges shows that a person can self-motivate and has the study skills needed to pass training.
I agree. It takes discipline to be able to hold down a full time job and go to school full time, even if it is online.
 
What difference does it make to them if you can go to a "brick and mortar" 4 year school or online based?

The difference is their accreditation. A lot, if not all, of the online ones and University of Phoenix types, are bogusly accredited.

Notice there aren't any online degree mill programs on these lists...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_States_Association_of_Colleges_and_Schools

What does accreditation mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_accreditation_in_the_United_States
 
There is more than one way to be accredited. I don't put a lot if faith in AAU when it is invitation only and takes 3/4 of existing members to get in.

UofP masters grad.
 
I went to two brick and mortar schools and didn't do any "robust" research save for some library time.

I learned more about my subject at Phoenix than I did at NDSU or UND. I was able to use government money at UofP so, accredited.

Just went through that list and neither UND nor NDSU ate on it so guess all 3 of my degrees are worthless.
 
Hello Everyone,

I was curious as to the "level of education" required for hiring at an airline or corporate operation. I spent a year at ERAU where I then decided it was not the right environment for me personally. I am now pursuing my associates degree in Pre-Hospital Medicine (Paramedic) where I am much happier and I continue my flight training in a Pt. 61 setting. Does only having an associates degree bar me from hiring? Do I really need a bachelors degree?

Thank you all for your time & Safe skies!

You don't need a degree for the regionals. A lot of the majors have dropped their degree requirement including US Airways, United, Jet Blue, Spirit, etc. You will still need a degree and space shuttle time for Delta and FedEx. I'd recommend getting one but the bottom line is, contrary to what most people tell you, once you meet the minimums hiring requirements it's all about who you know to get an interview.

Many recruiters thumb their noses at distance learning degrees.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe your degree will be stamped "online" if you go to a college that isn't primarily internet classes even if you take all online classes (eg. ERAU Daytona vs ERAU Worldwide or University of Florida). Now if you go to a college such as the University of Phoenix, most would assume that your classes were taken online even if they weren't.
 
Don't attack the messenger, remember I didn't indicate that I agreed or disagreed with it.

However, having worked with a number of recruiters from various airlines, not just my own, the value of an online degree is somewhat specious.

For example, I'm not a proponent of aviation degrees, however I've been told by two different companies that they prefer civilian candidates to have aviation degrees.

I think they're nuts, but I'm also not responsible for generating the hiring criteria.

Position yourself for your best chance at success. I've been very clear about this over the years.
 
Getting a degree for the primary purpose of "positioning" yourself for employment is, IMO, one of the problems with our education. Go to school to learn something you love or have interest in not because you think it will get you an extra 5 bucks an hour.
 
Jet said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe your degree will be stamped "online" if you go to a college that isn't primarily internet classes even if you take all online classes (eg. ERAU Daytona vs ERAU Worldwide or University of Florida). Now if you go to a college such as the University of Phoenix, most would assume that your classes were taken online even if they weren't.

That is correct. A lot of brick and mortar schools are offering online classes (BIG difference). If you need to take online classes, do it through this avenue.
 
Well it kind of depends.

Some have the social standing to walk into a Fortune 500 company with a D average and become VP or partner with catlike quickness.

The rest of us need "something" to make up for lack of pedigree. The chances of me, as a civilian pilot with no degree being in his sixteenth year at Southernjets are exactly 0%

The price of wanting to be in a position where I could choose where I wanted to work instead of settling for a second of third tier carrier was being as competitive as possible. And that included secondary education.

For most of us, a college education helps level the playing field. If you're one of two guys going for a job at Southernjets, one is the son of an active pilot and the other is a high school grad, the legacy is going to get the job. Now if you're an Auburn or USNA grad, you'll be much more competitive. That's the way it was explained to me.
 
Hello Everyone,

I was curious as to the "level of education" required for hiring at an airline or corporate operation. I spent a year at ERAU where I then decided it was not the right environment for me personally. I am now pursuing my associates degree in Pre-Hospital Medicine (Paramedic) where I am much happier and I continue my flight training in a Pt. 61 setting. Does only having an associates degree bar me from hiring? Do I really need a bachelors degree?

Thank you all for your time & Safe skies!


Every company is different. Someone mention what the legacies are looking for whereas I have seen many corporations asking for bachelor degrees for the corporate pilot position. Ask yourself are you competitive? game over and case closed!
 
Exactly which of the above exclude properly accredited online colleges? If anything online colleges shows that a person can self-motivate and has the study skills needed to pass training.


None of them! I work for one of those companies and we do quite a bit of work online. In fact show me a company worried about whether you took classes online or in a classroom and I will tell you to stay away from that company. When I was in management we had employees taking online classes on their lunchbreaks!
 
Well it kind of depends.

Some have the social standing to walk into a Fortune 500 company with a D average and become VP or partner with catlike quickness.

The rest of us need "something" to make up for lack of pedigree. The chances of me, as a civilian pilot with no degree being in his sixteenth year at Southernjets are exactly 0%

The price of wanting to be in a position where I could choose where I wanted to work instead of settling for a second of third tier carrier was being as competitive as possible. And that included secondary education.

For most of us, a college education helps level the playing field. If you're one of two guys going for a job at Southernjets, one is the son of an active pilot and the other is a high school grad, the legacy is going to get the job. Now if you're an Auburn or USNA grad, you'll be much more competitive. That's the way it was explained to me.

I can understand some frustration with this, having never attended a "worthy" school in some people's minds. An undergraduate degree in a worthless subject, from a worthless state school, and a law degree from a worthless, unranked law school. I've been told, quite clearly and directly, that the degree I'm about to have conferred isn't worth the paper it's printed on, and is the cause of all of the ills in the legal profession. Don't pay any attention to the fact that my school has been graduating students out of their law school for 100 years; they're not ranked, and thus worthless.

So this applies to more than just the online vs. brick and mortar school discussion, it's a multi tiered level of arrogance in some ways, with each tier looking "down" upon those that they believe are not worthy of what THEY did to get their degree.

So when you put time and money into an education, after a bunch of folks told you to put time and money into an education, only to have somebody say, "Oh we meant a school that WE, the EDUCATED class went to, or at least played football against on the weekends," it can be frustrating.

But the fact of the matter is that you're right, and Mark's right, and the HR department's are right. Brick and mortar requires a certain level of investment, and it shows that the school is serious about its mission. Additionally, going to an actual, physical school changes the dynamic. The problem with online education, at least at the undergraduate level, is that you learn a lot by BEING THERE, and having to INTERACT WITH PEOPLE, on a FULL TIME basis. College isn't about "book learnin'" in the some way that being an airline pilot isn't really about stick and rudder skills. Important and necessary? Without a doubt, but it's a package deal, and you've got to have all the right components in order to really be successful.

Frankly, there's a reason that the ABA has refused to recognize online law schools for primary (J.D.) education (some exist for Masters of Laws programs, which are much more about straight academics): Nobody has had to stand up in their living room, while "taking a class" online and get their butt chewed for 30 minutes by a professor about the nuances of negative servitude in property law. Without the actual face to face experience, you're losing a whole heck of a lot of the point of being there.

So, TL;DR, I can understand people's frustration, it's very real and palpable. That being said, there's something to be said for going to a "real school" for a set period of years. I don't fly airliners through my computer using flight sim while I eat bon bons on my couch, and as such, I would expect an airline to want my experience to mirror that of which they want to hire me for.
 
Hi all, sorry as it appears I caused confusion between some of you. I am getting my degree by going to campus everyday, not online. The Paramedic associates degree is the highest level of education for it where I live, compared to just getting a certification. I have the ability to transfer after I graduate and go to another university for my Bachelors in Emergency Management. However I'd like to begin the steps towards my flight career once I'm done with medic. Although as Jet put it for for DAL and FDX you need space shuttle time and a bachelors... is there any official count on how many Majors have dropped the degree 4/yr degree requirement?
 
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