Education Before Becoming a Professional Pilot

cjones61541

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Hello! I'm currently a senior in high school and am planning on becoming a professional pilot. I would like some insight on what the airlines and other businesses are looking for when hiring new pilots. I have been accepted to Kent State University and Embry-Riddle, but I was also wondering if going to a flight school such as ATP would be just as beneficial. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
 
Normal school. Have fun. Chase women. Avoid STD's. Create stories to share with the guys you'll have to sit next to for hours at a time.
 
If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone into the military either with a degree and flew as an officer or without a degree as a Warrant officer and flew helos. Seems like military pilots are always p[positioned for the better jobs when they come out. Or is they stay they leave with a pension and positioned for the good jobs. Not complaining as they deserve it. Just my .02c. Go into the military..
 
Thanks for the info everyone. I'd like some more info on being a pilot in the military or any input from college grads who pursued a career in aviation and whether they think it was worth it or not.
 
It's probably too late to have a shot at the service academies, but it isn't too late to look at ROTC. I don't know what kind of deals they have these days, but I suspect it is well worth pursuing.

From a degree standpoint, my recommendation is to study something that interests you and that you can make a living doing. Any major that requires good math skills is likely to lead to a job. The law of supply and demand says that engineers stand a better chance finding a good job than someone with a degree in the arts. You need to have a Plan B in case your Plan A of being a professional pilot doesn't materialize and getting a serious degree gives you that Plan B option.
 
Thanks for the info everyone. I'd like some more info on being a pilot in the military or any input from college grads who pursued a career in aviation and whether they think it was worth it or not.

I didn't have the eyes for the military route, or I might have done it. I went to a liberal arts school and studied Philosophy, Math, and Literature. Those were the best days of my life...both the life of the Mind and the life of the er Body, if you take my meaning. I like my job, and of course I like flying aviation appliances or I wouldn't be here discussing them all the time. That said, the world is huge. Enormous. Just freaking chalk full of Possibilities. Do yourself a favor and do not limit yourself to just one job that turns out to be just a job, like every other job. This is the part of your life where you make a conscious, informed choice as to what you want to do with the rest of it. Expand your consciousness and increase your information. THEN commit yourself. And if it's Flying, great. It was for me, too. But there's no way you know now what you really want to do. Give yourself a chance.
 
I'm a senior just about to finish up AFROTC in the spring, feel free to PM me if you have any questions about that. I won't be flying, but i can answer general questions about the program.
 
Thanks everyone! I'll definitely keep my options open, but flying is the only thing I really have motivation to do. Having a Plan B is something I'll figure out too because you just never know what will happen in the future.
 
go to a college you can AFFORD. And when I mean afford I mean be able to pay any loans back within 2-5yrs time. The cheaper and sooner the better!!!!

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Thanks for the info everyone. I'd like some more info on being a pilot in the military or any input from college grads who pursued a career in aviation and whether they think it was worth it or not.

ERAU undergrad ('99-'03).

When I went to ERAU in '99 it was $3,000 a year less than my state school (UMass). Umass wasn't going to give me $20,000 after 4 years like ERAU did. My flight training would be between $5 - $7 less an hour if I had stayed up in Mass, that's the only thing that was cheaper. ERAU was the right choice for me for that time and situation.

At the time, when I went to Florida for college, it was hilariously cheap to live there (compared to Mass), my out of state tuition at ERAU was cheaper than in state UMass. Flying was $60 an hour wet and the instructor cost another $18-22 an hour I can't remember which. We all bitched in unison when the flying cost went up to $64 the next year. I was mostly done with the Commerical ticket when 9/11 struck. I got dinged a little on the multi flying because insurance rates went up through the roof, but that was everyone who rented airplanes on the planet, and I did not get my CFI there, I got it off campus years later.

When I got out in '03 you could go buy yourself a job in a 1900, which is something many people did including people on this forum, or you could get a job at Macy's (Best Buy was full up) until you found an instructing job. Those were your career paths after tens of thousands of dollars spent and in debt (although, I was no where near as screwed as guys going through now). Now you can be $100,000-$120,000 in debt for no job except whatever CFI gig you can land. If you do get a regional airline gig, you can expect to make about $24,000. More if you work real hard and are lucky. That is the stark reality of going to a aviation university only to fly airplanes.

The secret? (yes there is hope) Go get a 4 year degree in something that makes you some money (traveling nurse for $75k a year or something like that for Gods sake, not basket weaving), so when you can graduate you can have a real job paying down your college debt while you get yourself built up on hours while teaching. You could also go the military route if you qualify.

What I did is NOT normal, so don't go thinking this is gonna be your path. I graduated and laughed at my options for flying airplanes, because it made no economic sense (unless mommy and daddy were wealthy), so I dispatched airplanes (have my license and everything) at JFK and EWR for a bunch of the international carriers, worked ramp on the side, and CFI'ed on the side. My health was suffering from working (sometimes) 36 hours on an 12 hours off between two jobs, and with no health insurance I was forced to re-evaluate. I was very lucky to get a job as an EMI tech (family connections) and went on the road working 14-16 hour days seven days a week during trips, and at home I worked my 5 days a week with some overtime and CFI'ed when there was daylight left (and weekends). However, I lived at home and on the road everything was paid for. I bought nearly enough guns for a single male AND I paid back most of my school loans. That set me free to pursue the aviation crap. When I was a captain (what I refer to as the good old days) I paid back all the school loans leftover and bought a house on the cheap.

My life is good but the career is stagnate right now. I have a side business that keeps me from thinking about flying airplanes too much and the beach (still warm down south) and football this time of year. Oh the wife likes to shoot guns too so that's been great.
 
Lots of good points! I'm definitely considering getting a degree in something else first.
nocturnalaviator, if you don't mind me asking, what college did you attend?
 
Thanks for the info everyone. I'd like some more info on being a pilot in the military or any input from college grads who pursued a career in aviation and whether they think it was worth it or not.
FWIW
Currently taking a break from training to get a 4 year degree, im 2.5 years into it.

I got my associates at my local community college, while getting my private pilot certificate. Then got into a nationally accredited school I can afford (university). I have enough money left over to go up with my instructor when I come home form time to time. As soon as I finish my bachelors degree program I'll have a business degree, which I can use to get a job should flying not work out, (medical, family, money).

My goal is to then finish my ratings and pass my knowledge my instructor has instilled in me to my students when I become a CFI, I want to have fun and enjoy the ride. I can honestly tell you if you were to count every day since I took my first flight towards my certificate, my plans have changed at least the same amount. I too looked at ERAU, considered ATP, I got most of my guidance from instructors who shared the same SJS I suffered from, and got lots of information form others from THIS SITE! ;)

I am positive I will have no regrets when I finish school and get back into flying, however, this is my path, you have to choose yours. Decide what you want to do, its ok to listen to others stories and use their experience in your decision, but do not let others make your decisions.

off topic: thanks JC for helping me figure out my plan /off topic
 
In my humble opinion, get a degree or training in something you can do on the side while learning to fly and even do on the side when you are flying full time. Welding, Microsoft Certifications/Novell(is that even still used?), Electrician, Plumbing, learn to code in multiple languages, etc. Getting a 4 year degree in something like computer science or engineering is like getting a type rating with no time in type. You have the ink but no experience. Going the vocational route gives you a little more flexibility and marketability to both get the experience and have something a little more worthwhile to fall back on.

Still pursue some kind of 4 year degree but make it fun. Major in something that you want to really learn about (Russian Women Studies for example). The 4 year degree is a box checked on most applications (right or wrong, play the game).

I've got 2 bachelors and a masters, with real job experience with only one of my bachelors (aeronautics), the other two degrees are almost worthless in terms of jobs since I have no "real" experience (engineering and IT). I enjoyed the learning but they aren't exactly fall back plans as no one will even look at me for entry level jobs, again no real experience.

Good luck, if you can stomach the ups and downs of an aviation career and can accept that almost all of your advancement will come from luck and being in the right place at the right time, you will have a blast, the view is pretty cool too.
 
^^^^^ All good puts above. 4 year does check the box. When I first started at McDonnell-Douglas they had just changed. Previously they would hire Salaried Product Support functions with just some military time, no degree. In 1995 they needed the 4 year degree to even be considered. Didn't have to be Aviation, hell I had a group manager long ago with an English Degree and Radioman Experience from the Navy running the Structures group on Super Hornet Maintenance Task Analysis.

Then again, having more degrees without the experience doesn't always help as mentioned above.

Wife has EE, Med-Bio Engineering Undergrads, MBA (Peperdine), MS Communications and a JD from Loyola. 10 years experience in Aerospace from OEM and Tier 1 suppliers.

I have a BS in Aviation Management (yes, the one they tell you not to get), 20+ years in Aerospace from from OEM and Tier 1 suppliers.

She makes a whole 8K more than me ~5% in the grand scheme of things.......
 
It's a lot easier marrying a sugar momma. That's what I did :)

I went to a community college flight program. Got the core classes out of the way quicker and way cheaper, all my ratings and CFI certificates in two years. They usually have a transfer program to a 4 year school and pick a degree that you enjoy. I like maps so I picked Geography with Geographic Information Systems using all the ESRI programs.

After school I networked hard core and CFId. Now I am an airline pilot (kind of, long story put they pay me suckers) and fly the most loaded King Air in the world. Can't complain.
 
I went to a 4 year college and pursued an aviation degree there so I am on the other side of the fence of everyone else on this thread. Indeed there are only a few ways to finance flight training quickly and you I routinely tell people who come to me now for flight training what they are:
#1: Have rich parents, or marry someone rich.
#2: Join the military
#3: Go deep in to debt
Its a broad generalization, but I think it's fairly accurate. I went to Central Washington University and did their aviation program and I absolutely loved it. The depth with which we could go in to subjects, not just how to fly a plane and all the ground knowledge associated with it, but also could spend time studying accidents and human factors in aviation in depth, how to prepare for a career in aviation and be a professional. It really was just an overall well rounded education that I am very happy I pursued and didn't just get a 4 year college degree and then flight training separately. Of course it was ridiculously expensive, I was at about 120,000 in debt leaving school- Private-Instrument-Comm. Single- Comm Multi- CFI- CFII. I don't really have a backup plan for if aviation doesn't work, since my degree is a Bachelor of Science "Professional Pilot." But the education and amount I learned by being able to focus all my energy on learning everything I could about flying would not be something I would go back and change, and I am happily instructing and paying off my debt which I will be doing for the next 15 years. No regrets here! Let me know if you have any other questions!
 
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