Easiest and fastest way to get a icao frozen atpl?

mejogeorge

mejogeorge

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I need to get a icao frozen atpl,even though faa is included in icao,the airlines which i am applying need more than just faa atp written..,please suggest an easiest and fastest way to get a icao frozen atpl,i currently hold commercial single and multi with instrument rating.....

Heard that casa(australia) would be a good choice please help guys.....
 
mejogeorge said:
I need to get a icao frozen atpl,even though faa is included in icao,the airlines which i am applying need more than just faa atp written..,please suggest an easiest and fastest way to get a icao frozen atpl,i currently hold commercial single and multi with instrument rating.....

Heard that casa(australia) would be a good choice please help guys.....
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Ok, I would ask what do they want or what would they accept. The easiest way to get a JAA written is to get multicrew at a regional, get your FAA ATP so you can self sign for the tests. At that point just get your JAA ATPL...
Otherwise look at 6 months minimum full time ground school, or 6mos to 1 yr for the so called "distance learning". There is no easy way to get a JAA frozen ATPL. You will still need a class one medical, the tests and either the ATPL or CPL skills test and training. (BTW, the unofficial term means nothing and everything). Again, the key is to see what they want.
You could check PPRUNE as they might have more people in the know with this type of issue.
 
granlistillo said:
Ok, I would ask what do they want or what would they accept. The easiest way to get a JAA written is to get multicrew at a regional, get your FAA ATP so you can self sign for the tests. At that point just get your JAA ATPL...
Otherwise look at 6 months minimum full time ground school, or 6mos to 1 yr for the so called "distance learning". There is no easy way to get a JAA frozen ATPL. You will still need a class one medical, the tests and either the ATPL or CPL skills test and training. (BTW, the unofficial term means nothing and everything). Again, the key is to see what they want.
You could check PPRUNE as they might have more people in the know with this type of issue.
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In Switzerland if you hold an ICAO CPL you only sit for 12 exams, there is no need to sit for the ground school, you can study at home and you will take a mock test at a flight school that will then sign you up (some just let you go without mock). The time you will take really depends on your schedule, I have seen peoples doing the written tests in 4 months (studying full time), the flying portion in 2 weeks (it`s not that hard and there is no minimum flight time required for the ck ride), pretty much everybody does the CPL ride and the IR the same day, usually a cross country point A to B and back for the CPL, two approaches for the IR.

I have never seen any airline other then in Europe asking for a frozen ATPL, what airlines are you applying?
 
Well there ya go. Switzerland!!!

I was only opining, that if you want to self sign for the test in a JAA you need the multi-crew, so easier to get in here in the US. The OP is applying not me... :)
 
I think you can get a JAA ATP in the US. There is a school in Orlando that offers it to the European students I think.
 
swisspilot said:
yes you can, but I`m not sure if you can do the full program in the US....
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In the US you can only do PPL and CPL checkrides and training. You have to go to Europe for the instrument stuff (IR).
If you want a UK class 1 medical that has to be done by appointment at the CAA headquarters at Gatwick too.
 
While on this topic more or less:

What is more accepted outside of the US and outside of Europe in terms of Licenses?
 
There is no such certificate as an "frozen ATP". This has come to mean that you have a commercial pilot certificate and the written coursework done for your ATP. Since the FAA ATP is ICAO the easiest way to get a "ICAO frozen ATP" is to get your FAA CPL and pass the very easy ATP written.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
There is no such certificate as an "frozen ATP". This has come to mean that you have a commercial pilot certificate and the written coursework done for your ATP. Since the FAA ATP is ICAO the easiest way to get a "ICAO frozen ATP" is to get your FAA CPL and pass the very easy ATP written.
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Where did you get your information? There absolutely is a frozen ATP...just not for the FAA. I do not know how many hours the OP has, but his best bet is to get the FAA ATP and be done with it, if they have the hours. FAA certs are ICAO. If you start talking "Euroland", it is an entirely different world. The OP already stated that where ever he is applying, they do not accept the FAA Comm with ATP written completed, so he is looking for other avenues.
 
Stone Cold said:
Where did you get your information? There absolutely is a frozen ATP...just not for the FAA. I do not know how many hours the OP has, but his best bet is to get the FAA ATP and be done with it, if they have the hours. FAA certs are ICAO. If you start talking "Euroland", it is an entirely different world. The OP already stated that where ever he is applying, they do not accept the FAA Comm with ATP written completed, so he is looking for other avenues.
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I think you guys are arguing about semantics, for JAA there is no document that says, "Frozen ATPL" it's just a CPL IR with the results of the passed 14 exams.
 
Stone Cold said:
Where did you get your information? There absolutely is a frozen ATP...just not for the FAA. I do not know how many hours the OP has, but his best bet is to get the FAA ATP and be done with it, if they have the hours. FAA certs are ICAO. If you start talking "Euroland", it is an entirely different world. The OP already stated that where ever he is applying, they do not accept the FAA Comm with ATP written completed, so he is looking for other avenues.
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From the JAA and individual country regs. There is no certificate called a "Frozen ATP". This is terminology that was begun in airlines in Europe but it is not official at all. I wouldn't accept the FAA ATP written either, since it is so easy. However a commercial pilot with their FAA written done is exactly in the same shoes as a JAA "frozen ATP": both of their pilot certificates says commercial pilot, both of them need to accumulate the required aeronautical experience for the issuance of an ATP, both will have to pass an ATP checkride upon getting the hours.
 
SpiraMirabilis you are not 100% right, there is such things as a frozen ATPL, and there is a CPL issued by a country. There are countries in Europe where you can get a CPL IR but it won`t be recognized in all the European states, if you take it based on the JAA syllabus then it will be a frozen ATPL which will meet the same standards in any country you take it...this will soon change

If you hold a Frozen ATPL you will have also too meet the medical requirements for an ATPL, while if you just have a CPL no. A frozen ATPL is also required to fly turbine multi engine planes for hire, everywhere in Europe.

A guy with a Frozen ATPL can fly for an airline a guy with a CPL IR (in most countries there are 8 subjects in the written and they are made by that country) can`t fly for an airline and if he wants to fly an airplane registered in a country other then the one he took the CPL (even if it is part of JAA) he needs to get a validation.

The actual flight portion is the same.

When you apply for a validation based on an other ICAO license on the Civil Aviation sheet it says, application for a frozen ATPL License
 
Stone Cold said:
Where did you get your information? There absolutely is a frozen ATP...just not for the FAA. I do not know how many hours the OP has, but his best bet is to get the FAA ATP and be done with it, if they have the hours. FAA certs are ICAO. If you start talking "Euroland", it is an entirely different world. The OP already stated that where ever he is applying, they do not accept the FAA Comm with ATP written completed, so he is looking for other avenues.
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A frozen ATPL is not a license, nor do I think you will find it in thr JAR-FCL. More like an industry term. I am pretty familiar with the JAR-FCL. Getting a national license say (Swiss) over a JAA maybe easier.
But as the OP stated, they won't accept a FAA ICAO (certificate) license, so without more information from the OP as to what constitutes an acceptable post as suggested in my first post, any help for him is just stabs in the dark. :)
 
granlistillo said:
A frozen ATPL is not a license, nor do I think you will find it in thr JAR-FCL. More like an industry term. I am pretty familiar with the JAR-FCL. Getting a national license say (Swiss) over a JAA maybe easier.
But as the OP stated, they won't accept a FAA ICAO (certificate) license, so without more information from the OP as to what constitutes an acceptable post as suggested in my first post, any help for him is just stabs in the dark. :)
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I understand there is no "license" called a frozen ATPL. However, when dealing with Euroland, there is the concept of a frozen ATPL. Go to the FAA and ask a question about a frozen ATPL and they will either say "what?" or "go to Europe." That was my point. The OP needs to provide more information before he can get any help on this, from what I have read.
 
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