Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
It is an excuse, not a great one, though.
Eagle vote 70% NO with 92% participation
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SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Certainly not one that will get any sympathy. "Welcome to the list". "Off my [CA's] jumpseat".
Scabbing is never right. Ever.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
The horrors! How dare someone try to make a career out of an airline where they were making a six figure income and getting 20 days off!
Eh, not really what I was going for.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Not that I'd ever advocate scabbing, if there has to be an excuse, family/bills/mortgage is about the only valid one I can think of. Why scab otherwise? You don't believe in striking (too late, it's already happened with pilots on the picket line)? You think it's wrong to screw the company this way? You're ex-military and have a "get the job done" mentality? (Not that I agree with this but I've heard numerous times airlines prefer military guys who are more company goal oriented and that striking would be a failure/dereliction of duty), or what? I can't think of any "great" ones.
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
I would be interested to see the stats on prior military/crossed the picket line. Do those stats exist? I'm prior military (non pilot), prior freight dawg (Both "get the job done" jobs), and would still NEVER cross the line.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I have seen stats from the 1989 mess at Eastern that show about 75% of the guys who crossed the line were ex military. That's the only data I've seen though and I have no idea what percentage of pilots at Eastern at that time came from the military.
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
Interesting. I had not heard of this before. @Seggy @ATN_Pilot you are the ALPA guys here, can you substantiate this? How big was the military pilot group at Eastern during that mess? How many at other airlines? Is this a "most pilots were military at the time" thing or was it actually the military guys broke out in numbers to cross?
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Duh. You won't see me doing it, even with kids.
It's a mitigating factor, but it doesn't exonerate you.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Jumpseats should not be used for personal wars. Plenty of scabs from the 80s/90s are riding jumpseats today and should continue to be. For the most part, they are senior Captains now and allow others to jumpseat as well. No reason to pull an ATN_Pilot move. Same guy you deny a jumpseat could one day be a CA of a plane you are trying to jumpseat on, or worse for you, be on the hiring team of an airline you want to work for.
It ain't worth it....
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
I'm not an airline guy, but this is one of the entire reasons I'm glad the Captain has a say in who rides the jumpseat. I would rather not ride home for a night, and make the guy who crossed the line pay hell for his decisions for his entire career.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
ALPA forgave them and they are dues-paying members in good standing. The strikes were a long time ago, 80s and 90s, and in the words of many 9L to 9E pilots, "It's time to move on and get over it."
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You mean like Pan Am and Eastern?
I don't get on my high horse about the people who decided to make a career of the regionals. Back when I was starting out, it looked like a reasonable conclusion to many people that the regionals were going to grow and grow into perpetuity, and the legacies were going to shrink until they were nothing but widebody international, or worse yet, just brand names that contracted out feed. Similarly, I don't fault legacy pilots who thought that scope concessions in the early days in exchange for more money wasn't a big deal. It was easy to believe then that it would just be a few airplanes, just a few jobs. Hindsight is 20/20, and everyone always wants to act after the fact like it was so obvious what was going to happen, but it rarely is.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Honestly, I'm not even sure if we have data on that.
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
WUT?
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Keeping calm, Chiving on.
Something that at one point was technologically relevant and made fiscal sense but due to changing economic conditions has become obsolete and/or uneconomic in today's world. Neither the current regional model nor the incandescent bulb have a bright future.
I'm so glad I could work a terrible pun in there. I'll celebrate with a beer.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Stuff changes. I know a few guys who were planning on staying here for the rest of their careers. But when they saw what happened to Comair they started wrapping up their degrees and making themselves more marketable. Unless you're really close to retirement, there really is no excuse. The golden handcuffs is BS since major pay has bounced back.
I have the utmost respect for one of the guys I've been fortunate enough to fly with. He was planning on sticking around until retirement. When it became obvious that maybe that wasn't the best plan, he started finishing up his degree and became a check airman. Despite having kids, being active in his church, and having a part time job as a mechanic, he's making it happen. On top of that he is a great dude and an excellent pilot. An excellent guy all around who will without a doubt be a great fit for a major when the time comes.
No...or at least very little excuses.