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[inigo88]

Those ATC guys are great.

I'm sure it's a surprise to exactly no one that the owner of that aircraft is 75 years old. I'll go ahead and also wager he was the PIC. Dude sounds more confused than Biden at that debate.

I flew into OSH in 2016, and I will never forget the look of surprise on the old man’s face piloting the Baron that flew southwest down the Fisk arrival at 1800 ft as he tried to hit everyone in the conga line head on… including me. Apparently he was a departure that turned on course immediately after takeoff and didn’t read the NOTAM. Good times!

 

[USMCmech]

I flew into OSH in 2016, and I will never forget the look of surprise on the old man’s face piloting the Baron that flew southwest down the Fisk arrival at 1800 ft as he tried to hit everyone in the conga line head on… including me. Apparently he was a departure that turned on course immediately after takeoff and didn’t read the NOTAM. Good times!

I feel like there should be a flight of 4 neon orange RVs (or similar type) patrolling the arrival to intercept and torment idiots and • that either negligently or deliberately try to ruin this for all of us.

 

[MikeD]

Zero desire to fly into OSH. It’s an event where one week a year, every clown pilot who barely flies comes out of the woodwork and ATC procedures and basic airmanship become a free for all.

 

[Murdoughnut]

Agreed - I watch the YT videos and I’m like “nah, I’m good”. Anymore, everyone in GA can either remember the FDR presidency, or is an FNG building hours.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Nah I'll drive.

 

[MikeD]

Agreed - I watch the YT videos and I’m like “nah, I’m good”. Anymore, everyone in GA can either remember the FDR presidency, or is an FNG building hours.

Nah I'll drive.

The whole event is one giant Swiss cheese model that not only has extremely large holes awaiting to get aligned; but with an event and how its run, that literally facilitates the Swiss cheese holes getting aligned….both the pilots and ATC being guilty of this. If there was an ASAP program for OSH, the reporting system would be jammed and crash-out with the number of reportable events.

 

[MikeD]

OSH is good for one thing, sending CFR fire rescue crews to the event to get some real world experience.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

The whole event is one giant Swiss cheese model that not only has extremely large holes awaiting to get aligned; but with an event and how its run, that literally facilitates the Swiss cheese holes getting aligned….both the pilots and ATC being guilty of this. If there was an ASAP program for OSH, the reporting system would be jammed and crash-out with the number of reportable events.

I just imagine someone at Avemco getting a cold sweat for a week and a half this time of year.

 

[FlyingAccountant]

Another enroute crash:

1 dead, 1 injured in jet crash near Granite Falls airport

A 911 caller reported the aircraft had crashed near the intersection of Highway 23 and 540th Street in Granite Falls on Monday around 5:32 p.m.

www.cbsnews.com

Sounds like his ejection seat didn't fire while the pilot's did.

I'm sort of surprised the insurance companies don't have more to say about this event.

 

[MikeD]

Another enroute crash:

1 dead, 1 injured in jet crash near Granite Falls airport

A 911 caller reported the aircraft had crashed near the intersection of Highway 23 and 540th Street in Granite Falls on Monday around 5:32 p.m.

www.cbsnews.com

Sounds like his ejection seat didn't fire while the pilot's did.

I'm sort of surprised the insurance companies don't have more to say about this event.

I hear the surviving pilot of this accident, was the backseat pilot who ejected out of the MiG-23 that crashed at the Ypsilanti, Mich airshow a couple years back.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Then there’s Cessna N4301R trying to fly in to Oshkosh yesterday July 21 from 14;30UTC to 1515Z obvious has no clue about the Fisk VFR arrival that everyone else is using and near-midair’s everyone else on the arrival

N4301R Flight Tracking and History 21-Jul-2025 (KMFI-KOSH) - FlightAware

Track N4301R flight from Marshfield Muni to Wittman Rgnl

flightaware.com

It’s interesting to see it on flightradar24 playback where you can see his track vs everyone else.

even more maddening to hear the ATC playback where the controller is trying to tell him to divert to other airports and ride public transportation in since he doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing and he keeps stepping over the controller as the controller is assigning other aircraft on the arrival their final approach assignments before handing them off to tower.

https://archive.liveatc.net/kosh/KOSH-App-Fisk8-Jul-21-2025-1500Z.mp3

That same guy took off from taxiway Papa today.

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[FlyingAccountant]

I hear the surviving pilot of this accident, was the backseat pilot who ejected out of the MiG-23 that crashed at the Ypsilanti, Mich airshow a couple years back.

I saw that too.

That same guy took off from taxiway Papa today.

Someone needs to permanently ground him before he kills someone. My grandpa had a Bonanza when I was a kid and he self grounded himself after realizing he didn't have the cognitive ability anymore. There's no shame in it. What is shameful is killing someone(or yourself) because you're too proud or stubborn to admit you don't have it anymore.

 

[SteveC]

I saw that too.



Someone needs to permanently ground him before he kills someone. My grandpa had a Bonanza when I was a kid and he self grounded himself after realizing he didn't have the cognitive ability anymore. There's no shame in it. What is shameful is killing someone(or yourself) because you're too proud or stubborn to admit you don't have it anymore.

“…proud or stubborn…”

More likely a deficit of self-awareness.

Not at all uncommon. Think about it - if your mental abilities deteriorate, that deterioration probably includes your ability to recognize the deterioration.

 

[WacoFan]

“…proud or stubborn…”

More likely a deficit of self-awareness.

Not at all uncommon. Think about it - if your mental abilities deteriorate, that deterioration probably includes your ability to recognize same.

Johnny Livingston's brother used to fly his T-craft to Blakesburg every year and he was in his 80's. I'd fetch him beer and he'd tell me about when Johnny was a Waco dealer and stories about him racing the clip-wing Monocoupe. He did fine flying the Taylorcraft.

Coolest thing I ever saw was a 76 year old Harold Neumann examine Jim Younkins exact replica of Mr Mulligan and then sitting left seat and taking the builder/owner for a ride to include a pass down the runway that had to be 300mph and pylon turns around the pattern, never getting above about 25ft in altitude and then at the conclusion of his last pass a pull-up into a beautiful roll. All in an airplane he hadn't flown since 1935 when he won the Thompson Trophy in the original. Tried to teach me how to do a slow roll in his Monocoupe when he was 81. I sucked compared to him. I cite my youth, my lack of skill as compared to an actual Sky God, and the fact that while cool, Monocoupe have really crappy ailerons and compared to the Waco's I was used to they felt set in concrete. Hell, compared to grandpa's Howard they sucked. Which made Harold even more of a stud because he could make that airplane dance.

Point being - everyone ages different. Self awareness is key no matter what age.

 

[USMCmech]

The whole event is one giant Swiss cheese model that not only has extremely large holes awaiting to get aligned; but with an event and how its run, that literally facilitates the Swiss cheese holes getting aligned….both the pilots and ATC being guilty of this. If there was an ASAP program for OSH, the reporting system would be jammed and crash-out with the number of reportable events.

It really isn’t nearly that bad.

The issue is a VERY large sample size means the whatever normal GA stupidity that happens somewhere else the other 51 weeks per year is bound to happen here.

semi senile Cessna pilots blunder into complex airspace every eeek. Loss of control on landing happens every week.

The VFR arrival is actually very simple. Get in line, go to the runway they tell you, land on the spot they tell you.

 

[Shiftace]

Then there’s Cessna N4301R trying to fly in to Oshkosh yesterday July 21 from 14;30UTC to 1515Z obvious has no clue about the Fisk VFR arrival that everyone else is using and near-midair’s everyone else on the arrival

N4301R Flight Tracking and History 21-Jul-2025 (KMFI-KOSH) - FlightAware

Track N4301R flight from Marshfield Muni to Wittman Rgnl

flightaware.com

It’s interesting to see it on flightradar24 playback where you can see his track vs everyone else.

even more maddening to hear the ATC playback where the controller is trying to tell him to divert to other airports and ride public transportation in since he doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing and he keeps stepping over the controller as the controller is assigning other aircraft on the arrival their final approach assignments before handing them off to tower.

https://archive.liveatc.net/kosh/KOSH-App-Fisk8-Jul-21-2025-1500Z.mp3

Uhh... Saw something on FB/Reddit say that this same person, on their way out of OSH, took off from a Taxiway today?? Can anyone else confirm this was the same person?

 

[guywhoflies]

Uhh... Saw something on FB/Reddit say that this same person, on their way out of OSH, took off from a Taxiway today?? Can anyone else confirm this was the same person?

Can’t be certain it was the same PIC, but it was the same tail number.

 

[Murdoughnut]

You remember back during Hurricane Helene when all of these helicopter pilots were complaining that they didn't have free access to perform their own missions whenever and wherever they liked in the mountains of western NC? Well I got to hear the stories from the AVL folks on just how close many of them came to becoming a smouldering pile of what used to be arrogant rich guys.

 

[FlyingAccountant]

Interestingly, our fearless C172M driver has every rating under the sun, including.....wait for it.....a tower operator certification.

 

[CFI A&P]

There was a great tribute to Rob Holland during the Wednesday night air show. I’ll see if I can find photos or video of it.