DUI?

My Flight Surgeon

Sr. Aviation Medical Examiner
I am asked by pilots who come for their flight physical “What do I have to answer for item 18v? :confused: History of 1)any conviction(s) involving driving while intoxicated by, while impaired by, or while under the influence of alcohol or a drug; or 2) history of any conviction(s) or administrative action(s) involving an offense(s) which results in the denial, suspension, cancellation, or revocation of driving privileges or which resulted in attendance at any educational or rehabilitation program.

The terms “DWI” or “DUI” are included in what the FAA refers to as “motor vehicle actions”. Under FAR 61.15(c), a motor vehicle action is (1) a violation of any Federal or State statute relating to the operation of a motor vehicle while intoxicated by alcohol or a drug, while impaired by alcohol or a drug, or while under the influence of alcohol or a drug; (2) the cancellation, suspension, or revocation of a license to operate a motor vehicle, for a cause related to the operation of a motor vehicle while intoxicated by alcohol or a drug, while impaired by alcohol or a drug, or while under the influence of alcohol or a drug; or (3) the denial of an application for a license to operate a motor vehicle for a cause related to the operation of a motor vehicle while intoxicated by alcohol or a drug, while impaired by alcohol or a drug, or while under the influence of alcohol or a drug.

A motor vehicle action triggers the reporting requirements of FAR 61.15(e). The airman is required to provide a written report to the FAA Civil Aviation Security Division within 60 days that includes: “(1) The person's name, address, date of birth, and airman certificate number; (2) The type of violation that resulted in the conviction or the administrative action; (3) The date of the conviction or administrative action; (4) The State that holds the record of conviction or administrative action; and (5) A statement of whether the motor vehicle action resulted from the same incident or arose out of the same factual circumstances related to a previously reported motor vehicle action.”

What if I fail to report the motor vehicle action?:argue:
FAR 61.15(f) states that failure to provide the FAA with this written report can result in (1) Denial of an application for any certificate or rating for a period of up to 1 year after the date of the arrest; or (2) Suspension or revocation of any certificate or rating. If an airman finds himself or herself in this situation, it is important to keep several things in mind in order to properly comply with FAR 61.15 and avoid the consequences of a failure to report. It is better to report late than not report at all.

There are two important things one must know to comply with the regulations. First, in many states, an arrest for DWI starts a two-track process: a civil action and a criminal action. The civil action is an administrative action against the offending driver’s license that typically results in immediate temporary suspension of the driver’s license pending the outcome of the administrative action. The criminal action is a criminal prosecution against the driver that may or may not result in the driver actually being convicted of DWI. For example, in many instances an initial charge of DWI can be reduced to a charge of a lesser offense.

Under FAR 61.15, both the civil action and the criminal action are considered motor vehicle actions. The immediate suspension of the driver’s license pursuant to the civil action triggers the obligation to make a written report to the FAA. If the driver is later convicted of DWI, another report must be made. NOTE: If you there are two seperate legal actions, you must report each independently. This multiple reporting situation makes it imperative that the driver’s statement under FAR 61.15(e)(5) clearly explain that the later conviction arose out of the same factual circumstances as the civil suspension previously reported. The absence of a clear explanation can result in confusion with the FAA incorrectly believing that the driver has had two motor vehicle actions rather than just the one.


The airman must send a Notification Letter for the suspension, then send a second Notification Letter if the alcohol related offense results in a conviction. Even though the airman sent two notification letters, FAA views the suspension and conviction as one alcohol-related incident.
Send Notification Letters to:
Federal Aviation Administration
Security and Investigations Division (AMC-700)
P.O. Box 25810
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
or
Fax to: (405) 954-4989

To speed processing, the letter must contain the following information:
Name, Address, Date of Birth, Certificate Number, Telephone Number
Type of Violation (conviction and/or administrative action)
Date(s) of Action(s)
State Holding the Record
Driver License Number or State ID Number (if not licensed)
Statement whether this relates to a Previously Reported MVA
or use this Notification Letter template link http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/investigations/airmen_duidwi/media/Notification%20Letter%206_27.doc

The second important and often misunderstood point is that the report required by FAR 61.15(e) is separate and distinct from the answer an airman is required to provide on an Airman Medical Application, Form 8500-8. Question 18(v) of the medical application specifically asks whether the applying airman has had any convictions or administrative actions for DWI, etc. However, the answer the airman provides on the medical application does not replace or satisfy the reporting requirement of FAR 61.15. The FAA has suspended many airmen’s certificates when the airmen have incorrectly assumed that their disclosure on the medical application was sufficient.

What does the FAA think about these actions? :confused: A single driving while intoxicated (DWI) conviction or administrative action usually is not cause for denial if there are no other instances or indications of substance dependence or abuse. More than one “motor vehicle action” is a red flag that the person may be an alcoholic with poor impulse control or have a anti-social personality disorder. More than one episode will lead to the FAA taking a hard look at the airman and possibly taking action against the airman.

If you are a professional pilot there is assistance with alcohol and drug problems through the HIMS Program:) ( http://www.himsprogram.com/index.php ). HIMS is a program established jointly by the FAA and ALPA with the cooperation of most of the airline companies. Participation in this very intensive program may result in you being allowed to fly in 6-8 months. You will continue to participate in the HIMS monitoring program usually for a minimum of 5 years. In the HIMS Program, you will participate in an aftercare program after attending a 28 day inpatient treatment program. You will also meet with your "sponsor" on a regular basis as well as a medical sponsor. Your company will also have to provide periodic reports to the medical sponsor to be forwarded to the FAA for periodic review. Not all AMEs are medical sponsors. There is a special HIMS training program that medical sponsors attend. The usual time frame for recovery is 2 years until you are allowed to fly if you are not enrolled in the HIMS Program.

Also note that when you sign the 8500-8, you authorize the National Driver Registry (NDR), through a designated State Department of Motor Vehicles, to furnish the FAA information pertaining to my driving record. There is also a notice on the 8500-8 that states Whoever in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agencu of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or who makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or entry, may be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both. This gets my attention every time I sign the 8500-8, even as the AME.

Hopefully this clears any misconceptions one may have about DUI's and the privilege to fly. The consequences for mishandling the information and failing to report are significant.

* Italicized sections are from FAA documents.
 
Just out of curiousity. Do you have to report actions that are taken under advisement by the court. (e.g. you pay the fine and the judge says that if you don't receive any tickets in 6 months the offense is removed and no points are added to your license).

What if one is arrested for a DUI and then found not guilty? How does the FAA view that.
 
The act of being arrested will result in an administrative action which triggers a mandatory report, as least in my state.

Being found not guilty later doesn't matter, as far as I can tell. Doesn't see very fair to me but the reg is something we have to live with as professional pilots.
 
I think the FAA would look on the judge’s decision as an administrative action. It really does not matter though because you already reported the DUI arrest (which is mandatory) and the following action for the same offense is considered by the FAA as a single case. The arrest is an administrative action as far as the FA is concerned. If you want to argue there were no actions taken against you, i.e., no suspension or surrender of your license then there may have been no action à best to have a good aviation law attorney on your side when you decide whether or not to report that one. Remember the Whoever in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agencu of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or who makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or entry, may be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both part of the 8500-8. Don’t know about you but I have no desire to spend even one day at Leavenworth.

Cheers:)
 
No Problem. Thankfully, I have never had legal issues but a few of my collegues have and I was curious after see how they handled it.

I just wish the FAA treated you like the regular courts did. Innocent until proven guilty. It seems like all the stories you read you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent to the FAA...
 
They basically give you one free pass. That seems fair to me.

Last time I was on active duty (98-00) you went to a treatment facility the first time, even if you were intoxicated in your own home.
 
Doc....thanks for this info. I'm a few days behind the power curve since this was first posted and learned something new today as I ready this post. I had a DWI back in 2000 and I've been through two FAA medical exams--reported both times of the incident on the medical application. As I read through your post, I realize I need to go ahead and send a letter in to the FAA about the conviction and administrative action. Like you alluded to....better late than never. I will get on this and make things right. Thanks for the valuable insight and hopefully there are no reprecussions from reporting 6 years after the fact.

Brian (Pac Man)
 
Doc....I'm gonna revisit this thread and ask this for you or anyone else who may know. I've read what has been written and see the requirements to report to Security and Investigations Division (AMC-700) within 60 days of incident. At what point do you have to report? What I mean is....if I received a DWI 3 years before starting any flight training, I'm assuming that I wouldn't have to specifically report in this manner; or, should I have once I began flight training even though 3 years has elapsed? Mind you, I have properly documented these actions on the 8500-8 for my flight medical exams.
In my interpretation, which may not mean much :-) ..... This reporting would be needed once you've began flying, but at what point--receipt of PPL or once you begin training for the PPL. Your thoughts sir....


Brian (Pac Man)
 
I agree with your interpretation.:) If it was reported on the 8500-8 when you started to fly, you should be OK. As you know, they looked at your national driver registry information so it was better to report than to try to sweep it under the carpet.
 
Cool....just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing. Actually I reported it on 2 different exams using the 8500-8. The second time, the doc told me if I already reported it, I wouldn't need to specifically spell it out for subsequent medical examinations and to put "previously reported" as you mentioned in a different thread. You provide good info doc and we appreciate your availability to answer questions for us on this site.


Brian
 
I also scored a DUI in 2003. I was 18 at the time and was very stupid. Also I had not begun any of my flight training when I was convicted. Therefore I was under the impression that I did not have to send a formal report to the FAA. Anyway thanks for the info you guys have posted in this thread.

On another note, I am concerned with my competitiveness when it comes to a career in aviation. I am finishing up my Bachelors degree in accounting and am going to continue on to law school. I currently hold a PPL. I really want to fly for the majors some day but have a feeling that no one will hire me with the dreaded DUI conviction. I want to attend an academy during the summer to get my ratings but I don't want to be $50,000 in debt and not be able to score a job.

Please let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
 
One mistake at 18 will not ruin your chances, especially if you continuewith the educational track you are on and don't get another DUI. They are worried about a pattern of problems, not one mistake.
 
Doc,

I know someone who's got 2 DUI's dating 2001 and 2003. Now 4 years later he is thinking of getting his PPL. Would the 2 DUI's be a reason for his Medical to be denied? What can he do about it?

Thanks
 
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