DUI Three Days After Being Hired

TXaviator said:
because in this wonderful country we are afforded by law a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

i, as a good American, choose to fully exercise that right.
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Great,exercise that right. But he admitted he was drinking, admitted he was driving, and admitted he got arrested for DUI. He may eventually get the charge reduced and if he does, good for him. That doesn't change the fact that he should be up front with it, Convicted or Not......

Just suppose......

He goes to class, finishes IOE, and hits the line.

One week after that he gets his schedule but has to take time off to go to court.

Now he has to explain why he needs the day off to whomever.

And then he gets a conviction.....Now he has to report it to everyone.

I would venture the reaction will be severe. I would also bet he would have received a more favorable response had he been upfront in the beginning.
 
TXaviator said:
but also keep in mind, theres no reason for this guy to make the consequences any worse than neccessary. theres no "shame" in following the letter of the law very precisely.

hence why he is asking for advice/experience on a forum. he doesn't need a pistolwhipping.
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Ever been to Sweden? Think you ever see drunk drivers on the road? No, because if you get caught once you lose your license for life. The "consequenses" of losing your job are fairly minor compared to that if you ask me.

Besides, I don't wish for it to be any worse for him, but I don't see any good in trying to hide it. You can't hide anything today. If anything, owning up to the mistake will make the consequenses better in the long run.
 
JEP said:
Great,exercise that right. But he admitted he was drinking, admitted he was driving, and admitted he got arrested for DUI. He may eventually get the charge reduced and if he does, good for him. That doesn't change the fact that he should be up front with it, Convicted or Not......
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by that logic, should someone who is arrested for murder, and later acquitted, be forced to go around saying "hey i am a murderer" before their day in court?
 
JEP said:
Just suppose......

He goes to class, finishes IOE, and hits the line.

One week after that he gets his schedule but has to take time off to go to court.

Now he has to explain why he needs the day off to whomever.

And then he gets a conviction.....Now he has to report it to everyone.

I would venture the reaction will be severe. I would also bet he would have received a more favorable response had he been upfront in the beginning.
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i understand this line of reasoning better than the "he did something wrong so fess up" argument you put forth earlier.

at this point then he would have to discuss with his attorney and wager the odds of getting reduced vs disclosing voluntarily something that he MIGHT not have to.
 
PanJet said:
Ever been to Sweden? Think you ever see drunk drivers on the road? No, because if you get caught once you lose your license for life. The "consequenses" of losing your job are fairly minor compared to that if you ask me.
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apples to oranges. driving lifestyle is completely different in europe than in the states. in europe they figured out these cool ideas called public transit :-)

(tangent: if public transit in the states was better on a variety of levels, i think we would see less tragedy on the roads from drunk drivers. but thats a whooooole different scope of discuss)
 
TXaviator said:
by that logic, should someone who is arrested for murder, and later acquitted, be forced to go around saying "hey i am a murderer" before their day in court?
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Uh not really. He should be upfront and say he has to go to court for a murder trial and not worry about someone finding out later.

Has nothing to do with a conviction or not and everything to do with being upfront.
 
TXaviator said:
apples to oranges. driving lifestyle is completely different in europe than in the states. in europe they figured out these cool ideas called public transit :-)

(tangent: if public transit in the states was better on a variety of levels, i think we would see less tragedy on the roads from drunk drivers. but thats a whooooole different scope of discuss)
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I would think it is relevant considering you're talking about consequences for the same thing. My .02:)
 
TXaviator said:
by that logic, should someone who is arrested for murder, and later acquitted, be forced to go around saying "hey i am a murderer" before their day in court?
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Uhhhhh, he's not saying that. Stop taking stuff to some off the wall extreme. Your comparing "Hey I gotta go to court for DUI" to "Hey I gotta go to court over killing somebody":confused:
 
what numbers did you blow? or did you blow? My friend got pulled over and refused to blow so the cops took him to the station for a urine sample. An extra hour transpired and he peed a .075%
the D.A. did not press charges
Lucky Bastard, this same guy beat 4 speeding tickets in one month, yes one month. None of the cops ever showed up in court-automatic dismissal.
 
Like Merit said, he doesn't need to get convicted. If you get arrested for DUI, you have to do the report, at least in my state. In Washington State, if you get arrested for over .08, they do an immediate administrative action that triggers the report. A good attorney should be able to plead you down to 1st degree neglient driving, depending on your BAC . That way you don't have to check the "convicted for DUI" square.

By all means, if you're attorney can find weaknesses in the arrest and find ways to contest it, then that's great. It might help you in the plea deal. Make sure your attorney knows how serious a DUI conviction is for a pilot's career. He might want to take it to trial but you might not want to risk it.

I'm not going to say one way or another what you should do as far as telling the airline. Maybe you could move your class date back for personal reasons and see how the whole thing plays out. I'd rather tell the airline I was guilty of neg driving than a DUI.
 
I know a guy (not I) that got a DUI during initial.

Getting a DUI, whether or not you're convicted can carry a lot of gravity depending on how you handle it.

The guy I know, after his arrest, went to his chief pilot and talked about what had happened and they were cool with it.

You're most likely on probation and when you start disappearing for court cases and the airline's wondering about your schedule reliability, being upfront about it *might* save your job.

Me? If I was working for an airline with a union, I'd call the MEC. If you don't have a union, I'd talk to my chief pilot ASAP.

If you're afraid they're going to fire you because you told him about a DUI infraction, they're probably going to fire you if it results in a conviction.

Talk to your union, do this NOW.

If you don't have a union, talk to your chief pilot immediately.

JMHO, but the guy I know who got a DUI in ground school was able to navigate the storm. If he hadn't have done that and started missing trips because of court, they'd have canned his tuckus for sure.
 
bradj2000 said:
what numbers did you blow? or did you blow? My friend got pulled over and refused to blow so the cops took him to the station for a urine sample. An extra hour transpired and he peed a .075%
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Was that after he pissed his pants the first time?
 
I am DUIing tonight - DANCING UNDER THE UNFLUENCE!!!

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I agree that this guy should own up now with the company. Save yourself the embarrasment of getting yanked out of class and a possible 10 yr career stoppage. If they don't take you, so be it. Buck up and take it on the chin. I knew a guy that hid a DUI once, made it to ground school at a regional, then they found out and he got sent home. 3 months later he managed another interview, owned up, and he's a captain for them today. INTEGRITY is the key word here. Own up now, be humble, and show that you've learned from it.

As far as the rest of the peanut gallery saying this dude needs to own up, no sympathy etc, he needs a lawyer. Get a lawyer before you declare anything. THe FAR as vague at best, and by declaring something or reading into it, you may be screwing yourself. It's a career man, don't lose it over one big mistake. Captains that taxi off of runways don't call the CP and say "oops, im sorry, I guess i'm fired." They call the union, that gets a lawyer, and represents you. KNow your rights before you make any move.

I love this site, but I can't believe so many on here where so quick to pass judgement so quickly. Sounds more like FI for this post. He made a huge mistake, he admited it, he knows the consequesnces, and he was man and humble enough to come on a public forum and admit it. I admire the guy for having the cajones for at least owning up on this board.
 
meritflyer said:
Oh c'mon bro. Just dont get a DUI. Thats the best out.
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It was just a thought...
My step brother was killed by a drink driver, My step brother was a marine corps helo pilot. I won't get a DUI
I have a pilot license that means a lot to me. I won't get a DUI
I work in logistics dept where a clean driving record is a must. I won't get a DUI.

Besides I prefer blow.:nana2:
 
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