Dual given with an ATP

MidlifeFlyer said:
Not that much. The Court applied a generally-accepted standard for specific intent. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the pilot was ultimately violated in both cases.
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I'm glad you commented. Thanks.

I'm sort of sitting back and waiting with detached interest as to how those court decisions and the PBR will change or not change things as time goes by.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
61.167(b)




As far a "dual given" goes. There needs to some actual dual given going on. Some sort of training needs to be documented. This can happen in a few ways. The authorized ATP can endorse your logbook for the dual, or there might be some sort of company documentation. This is the most common.
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I don't know. Here's what the reg says...

(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—
(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;

I've always interpreted "air transportation service" to mean some type of commercial operation. For example, an Check Airman giving IOE at a part 121 carrier. Are you saying that an ATP holder can do the required training for an instrument or commercial?
 
Chief Captain said:
an ATP holder can do the required training for an instrument or commercial?
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No. There is an interpretation out there written to a guy who logged a whole bunch of king air dual recieved time from an ATP (non CFI) and used that time to qualify for his ATP. The examiner thought it was fishy, and FAA legal ruled that since the instruction was not given under an air carriers training program, the ATP was not legal to give dual and therefore the time did not count.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...2010/creech - (2010) legal interpretation.pdf
 
Chief Captain said:
I've always interpreted "air transportation service" to mean some type of commercial operation.
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So has the FAA. "In air transportation" in the ATP instruction means both the ATP and the student must be participants in an air carrier’s approved training program. It’s not an authorization for general instruction.

IOW, an ATP employed by XYZ Airlines can instruct another pilot employed by XYZ Airlines in XYZ’s approved training program. But an ATP hanging out at the airport can’t just instruct another pilot for her private certificate.
 
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