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Cptnchia said:
But you can go to the Boars Head Deli on A concourse and get pretty much that same meal. There's more to ATL than just the 3 or 4 gates United uses.
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I was traveling through a major airport yesterday and decided to stop at this mythical Boars Head Deli to taste for myself to see if it 'pretty much the same meal'.

It wasn't.

I can say, unequivocally, it was, by far, the most disgusting airport meal I have had in my ten years of flying as a professional. One piece of ham, one piece of salami, one piece of provolone cheese, horrifically stale bread, and I asked for no sweet relish, but what do they do?!!?!?!?! They put sweet relish on it. I am thinking of disputing the charge on my credit card it was such a horrific meal.

So there may be more to ATL, but it is comical if you are going to pass the Boars Head Deli for the same as the Deli place in LGA or anywhere in NYC for that matter.
 
Seggy said:
Like slowing to 210 knots before you even start your downwind isn't deplorable???
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I missed the last time you stopped by the aproach control that serves the busiest airport in the world to see what goes on, when was that?

Pilots should stick to flying and controllers should stick to controlling. Both sets sound stupid when they act like they know intricate facets of what the other does
 
A80TRACON said:
I missed the last time you stopped by the aproach control that serves the busiest airport in the world to see what goes on, when was that?

Pilots should stick to flying and controllers should stick to controlling. Both sets sound stupid when they act like they know intricate facets of what the other does
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Drop the mic! :)
 
Seggy said:
I was traveling through a major airport yesterday and decided to stop at this mythical Boars Head Deli to taste for myself to see if it 'pretty much the same meal'.

It wasn't.

I can say, unequivocally, it was, by far, the most disgusting airport meal I have had in my ten years of flying as a professional. One piece of ham, one piece of salami, one piece of provolone cheese, horrifically stale bread, and I asked for no sweet relish, but what do they do?!!?!?!?! They put sweet relish on it. I am thinking of disputing the charge on my credit card it was such a horrific meal.

So there may be more to ATL, but it is comical if you are going to pass the Boars Head Deli for the same as the Deli place in LGA or anywhere in NYC for that matter.
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Give it a rest vacuum boy. Nobody cares about your sandwich. You're going all Splash on us.
 
SFO has the best overall food, ORD has the best controllers, and ATL has the best terminal layout. The only cool thing about LGA that I remember from my Colgan days was the expressway visual. Everything else was a CF.
 
A80TRACON said:
I missed the last time you stopped by the aproach control that serves the busiest airport in the world to see what goes on, when was that?

Pilots should stick to flying and controllers should stick to controlling. Both sets sound stupid when they act like they know intricate facets of what the other does
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Is it the busiest airport in the world this year or is it going to be ORD? Because flying in and out of ORD a lot they (usually) expect you to go as fast as possible as long as possible. Oh, they are also dealing with traffic coming in and out of MDW, what do the ATL controllers also deal with? Maybe the ATL controllers can go for a field trip up to ORD to see how it is done, if anything.

Derg said:
Drop the mic! :)
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See above.
 
Derg said:
You know what it is? It is what I say it is now MAKE ME A SANDWICH! :)
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EWR crew room be like

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Seggy said:
Is it the busiest airport in the world this year or is it going to be ORD? Because flying in and out of ORD a lot they (usually) expect you to go as fast as possible as long as possible. Oh, they are also dealing with traffic coming in and out of MDW, what do the ATL controllers also deal with? Maybe the ATL controllers can go for a field trip up to ORD to see how it is done, if anything.




See above.
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As usual, you didn't answer the question. You're NOT a controller, just like I'm not a Commercial pilot, so stop talking out your ass about things you don't know about. ATL has within 16NM of the airport the 2nd busiest airport after ATL (PDK), the 4th busiest airport (FTY) as well as a highly active military base with everything from Lockheed Martin F22 plant, the C30J plant, etc, etc, etc. But, I'm sure you already knew all of this because you are so wise and all knowing.

Unlike you however (I could be wrong as you never answered the question), I do go to other facilities to see how things are done. I've spend/spent off days at USAir in CLT pre '99 doing SIM scenarios, post '99 @ DAL HQ doing some FAM/Sim time as well as over 100 FAM flights since 1986, both International and CONUS so I could see how what I say and do affects the other half.

Again, how many high density facilities have you visited so you can be a know-it-all on the subject?
 
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A80TRACON said:
As usual, didn't answer the question. You're NOT a controller, just like I'm not a Commercial pilot, so stop talking out your ass about things you don't know about. ATL has within 16NM of the airport the 2nd busiest airport after ATL (PDK), the 4th busiest airport (FTY) as well as a highly active military base with everything from Lockheed Martin F22 plant, the C30J plant, etc, etc, etc. But, I'm sure you already knew all of this because you are so wise and all knowing.

Unlike you however (I could be wrong as you never answered the question), I do go to other facilities to see how things are done, just like I spend/spent off days at DAL HQ doing some FAM/Sim time as well as over 100 FAM flights since 1986, both International and CONUS so I could see how what I say and do affects the other half.

Again, how many high density facilities have you visited so you can be a know-it-all on the subject?
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What's the Georgia Air Guard running out of Dobbins these days? They were B-1s for quite a while after trading in their Eagles, but they and Kansas gave those back to active duty.

I've never had the chance to visit a high volume/density TRACON; only have been to U90, P50 and ABQ tower/TRACON. Would be very interesting to see how some of those such as yours and others, work, and the challenges unique to each.
 
@MikeD I don't ever remember MGE having either of those and I was there since '99.

When I got there they had either 3 or 4 squadrons of F18's, 3 C130 squadrons and a hodgepodge of helo Units.

Like I said, now it's primarily the main testing base for F22's, C30J's and a few C130 Guard Units. Also a lot of itinerant bigwig hauling and C5 GCA work.

Visiting facilities, just like the FAM program, is a invaluable training and a big eye opener. The newer FAA kids don't understand a lot of what goes on when they try to slam dunk someone for no reason as the old FAM program went out with 9/11. There is a replacement one now, however its fairly strict of how and when you can use it and with short staffing it's difficult to get time off to participate.
 
A80TRACON said:
@MikeD I don't ever remember MGE having either of those and I was there since '99.

When I got there they had either 3 or 4 squadrons of F18's, 3 C130 squadrons and a hodgepodge of helo Units.

Like I said, now it's primarily the main testing base for F22's, C30J's and a few C130 Guard Units. Also a lot of itinerant bigwig hauling and C5 GCA work.

Visiting facilities, just like the FAM program, is a invaluable training and a big eye opener. The newer FAA kids don't understand a lot of what goes on when they try to slam dunk someone for no reason as the old FAM program went out with 9/11. There is a replacement one now, however its fairly strict of how and when you can use it and with short staffing it's difficult to get time off to participate.
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I don't even know how facilities are rated anymore. Used to be Level 1-5, at least with towers, when in the 90s the Level 1 or 1/2 facilities were supposed to mostly go private contract. But those ratings all changed around 2000ish, if I remember right.

Is every facility a training facility, with new Academy grads assigned; or are only certain ones assigned a training role, with others being only for full qual controllers to be able to go to after?
 
MikeD said:
Is every facility a training facility, with new Academy grads assigned; or are only certain ones assigned a training role, with others being only for full qual controllers to be able to go to after
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Used to be you started out in a smallish facility and worked your way up. The caviat in that was if you went to an ARTCC, which are really built for training, then you may go the busiest in the land.

In the mid 00's even the highest density facilities were getting newbies and the washout rate was astronomical, so that's tapered off slightly, but it's still happening.

I started out in '86 at ZBW working the NY Metro sectors and after a few years realized you can be a lot more creative in the TRACON environment and switched. That said, the ARTCC training was top notch, again as they're built to train someone with no experience. Very difficult to show up at C90 or A80 and succeed with absolutely no experience. Of course, we also have in the past had N90 controllers and the like fail. It's the volume that gets most people
 
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MikeD said:
What's the Georgia Air Guard running out of Dobbins these days? They were B-1s for quite a while after trading in their Eagles, but they and Kansas gave those back to active duty.

I've never had the chance to visit a high volume/density TRACON; only have been to U90, P50 and ABQ tower/TRACON. Would be very interesting to see how some of those such as yours and others, work, and the challenges unique to each.
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When they traded in the eagles they moved to Warner-Robbins AFB, as far as I know, B-1s were never at Dobbins.
 
GaTechKid said:
SFO has the best overall food, ORD has the best controllers, and ATL has the best terminal layout. The only cool thing about LGA that I remember from my Colgan days was the expressway visual. Everything else was a CF.
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Is that the crew cafeteria that looks like a car on Sfo? I know sfo airport is the only place ive ever had a crepe in my life.
 
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