Dress Codes for airplane trips

killbilly said:
Methinks you're perhaps getting bunged up about something that a) doesn't affect you and b) you have no control over anyway.

Relax. Other people's attire shouldn't damage your reality so much.
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Perhaps some people here cannot make the correlation between the status of the job known as piloting, and the behavior of the folks being flown. I would bet anyone dollars to donuts that one of the reasons being a pilot is not seen as high as it used to be is that airlines do not hold much of any dress or hygiene code. One undeniable trend in air travel is that the clientel of airlines has been gradually deteriorating. Maybe air travel wouldn't be seen by the public in such a negative fashion if the people they were traveling with were more respectable. It doesn't matter what the price is, its irrelevant. In fact, the cheaper the flight, the more right the airline has to impose rules. Maybe if people would control their children, come bathed and dressed somewhat formally, flying would be less bothersome to both pilots and passengers. And the prestige of flying an airliner would probably make at least a small comeback.

If people want to travel looking, acting, and smelling like a slob they should travel by car. If they want to travel via public transportation, I think some grooming and self-control should be in order, especially on a commercial flight.
 
I have flown many times in pajama pants and a hoodie. If I am a paying pax on an airplane then I am going to where something super comfortable within reason.
 
Kestrel452 said:
Not necessarily. Many people will pay money to go on a flight where people come groomed and not grody. Rich people will pay to be on a plane with respectable looking folk rather than passengers who come without making themselves decent. If you had the money, and were used to being around people who dressed nicely, would you not think you would be more apt to go with the fancier flight at all???
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if i'm the one paying for a charter, i imagine it would be myself and my group on the airplane. if i'm footing the bill for it, i'll dress as i please, which for me would be shorts, t-shirt, and flip flops.

when i'm flying, i wear the costume. when our owner shows up wearing shorts and flip flops, i'm hardly offended. the guy who signs the check can wear what he pleases.

if i flew for an airline, i'm sure i'd be more offended by what the ceo is doing to the company than by what the px are wearing.
 
Have you seen the price of a one way ticket on southwest?
Why would a pax wardrobe need to cost more than the ticket? That there is the crime.

Just wait for the bar stools.
 
jhugz said:
I have flown many times in pajama pants and a hoodie. If I am a paying pax on an airplane then I am going to where something super comfortable within reason.
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I'm confused. I assume you know that the airline piloting profession is under attack, and I see that you are a commercial pilot. Why would you show up to a flight looking like a slob? Coming in pajamas is a whole level lower than t-shirts and cargo pants. If you go on a plane and the passenger somehow finds out you are a pilot, their mindset towards pilots as a whole is diminished seeing as how they don't come well groomed even to their own realm.

Any pilot with a collective sense gets pissed off when they see another airline pilot coming to the airport out of uniform or looking like a mess.

I don't understand how so many pilots here don't see how passengers looking like they just woke up affects the public perception of the airline industry, flying, and pilots as a whole.
 
Kestrel452 said:
I don't understand how so many pilots here don't see how passengers looking like they just woke up affects the public perception of the airline industry, flying, and pilots as a whole.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

How does this affect the industry, flying, and pilots as a whole? Please give me examples. Should every private pilot dress up in a suit and tie when flying somewhere?
 
jhugz said:
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

How does this affect the industry, flying, and pilots as a whole? Please give me examples. Should every private pilot dress up in a suit and tie when flying somewhere?
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Private pilots? Who said anything about private pilots? Should they dress nicely before getting on a plane? Yes, but I was referring to commercial pilots like you.

While I do think it's overkill to fly in a suit and tie, I think making the effort to put on nicer pants and a button/polo shirt is entirely warranted and within reason.

If pilots as a group want more respect, then they should show up to work in full uniform including sport jacket/hat and ride pax in nice clothes.

You cannot argue against the fact that the public perception of pilots is partly driven by their appearance and that of their customers.
 
I went to the Smithsonian Air and Space museum a couple of weeks ago and there was a section on the history of commercial air travel, and in it I learned that back in the 50s/60s flying commercially was a HUGE deal for people. Men usually wore suits and women wore dresses. Everyone was served a meal during the flight. They used REAL utensils, not the plastic ones. From what I understand being a pilot, and the whole pax experience, was quite glamorous back then. Funny how things have changed.

I agree with the OP on this one, that certain class needs to be restored to the industry. We've lost it somewhere. Flying is a right, not a privilege.
 
You're kidding yourself if you think people who spend hours online to save a couple of bucks on a ticket would pay more if only the other paxs dressed better, or if you think if pilots riding in back would dress up would cause them to demand higher wages for pilots.
 
I have an ATP and I wear a tshirt, shorts and hotel slippers onboard.I wear the required shirt/tie/pants in public.I've taken sim checks in shirt/tie and tshirt and jeans.Amazingly no form of dress has an effect on my flying ability, my cockpit management or my self esteem.The days of men wearing dress shirts, ties and Fedoras to watch the Monsters of the Midway battle the Pack are gone. It's not a reflection on aviation, but on society in general. The style of dress you see from the SLF is the same you see in the general populous in any activity
 
Fully clothed? Bathed? Fit in your seat without overflowing into mine? If so, I don't give a crap.
 
Polar742 said:
I have an ATP and I wear a tshirt, shorts and hotel slippers onboard.I wear the required shirt/tie/pants in public.I've taken sim checks in shirt/tie and tshirt and jeans.Amazingly no form of dress has an effect on my flying ability, my cockpit management or my self esteem.The days of men wearing dress shirts, ties and Fedoras to watch the Monsters of the Midway battle the Pack are gone. It's not a reflection on aviation, but on society in general. The style of dress you see from the SLF is the same you see in the general populous in any activity
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sorry for the lack of paragraphs. jetcareers does not respect the return key on my ATT Tilt
 
If I'm paying, I'll dress appropriately for where I'm going. If I'm going to work a trip, it's a uniform and groomed appropriately.

If I'm going to Florida or SOCAL to hop on a cruise ship, it's shorts, a decent (clean, nice looking and no vulgar messages) t-shirt and some kind of footwear that would allow me to run down the aisle if I needed to squeeze my fat behind out an emergency exit for some reason. I'll be clean and bathed but don't expect me to be clean shaven...I'm on vacation.

If I'm asking you for a free ride, it's business casual at a minimum and appropriately groomed for the occasion.

I don't think that's asking too much. Considering that we had a lady a few months ago that tried to get on our plane (at $2k-ish/hour) after crapping her pants (true story...unreal, but true), I'm usually happy if the person next to me on the flight (that shopped travelocity, expedia and cheap tickets to save $7) isn't spilling into my lap and gagging me with their aroma.

-mini
 
at1024 said:
Flying is a right, not a privilege.
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I think it is a punishment.

It is something I'm forced to do. Get up at 4 AM to catch a 6 AM flight, to make a 9 AM meeting, then back home at midnight, because I'm number 112 on the standby list for the earlier flights... Wash, rinse, repeat.

Honestly, I'd rather be at home. I'm usually wearing a suit.
 
Now that Delta has no dress code for non-revs I still wear business casual just in case I have to get the jumpseat. The only thing I will never wear on an airplane is flip-flops although, I do love them. The reason is because of the slim chance there might be an evacuation. I even make my wife wear closed toe shoes. She thinks I'm crazy.
 
Kestrel452 said:
Maybe air travel wouldn't be seen by the public in such a negative fashion if the people they were traveling with were more respectable.
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Maybe if we all didn't have to undo our belts and pad around in socks for a dude wearing a paper mask.

Maybe if we had confidence we wouldn't be sitting 300 ft. short of the gate for an additional hour and a half with .

Maybe if we thought the airline would extend itself and provide some accommodation of luxury in all classes, not just transportation from A to B.

My point is: I think the passengers' attitudes are more or an adaptation to the way things are run, rather than the cause of (or excuse for) "streamlining the operation."
 
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