Dornier 328eco roll out

I thought they had APUs. I could have sworn I used to hear PSA's with an APU running whilst I was sweating my balls off in a dark blue painted SAAB.

PSA's absolutely had APUs, because the APU tailcone was titanium, to which the paint would not stick, and promptly all flaked off as soon as they got them.
 
Sooo what's the advantage of this new Eco over all of the existing choices?
The newest 50 seat CRJs were manufactured in 2006. At some point, something has to replace them; this and the ATR are probably the best bets, even if Americans say they won't get into a propeller-driven airplane. (They have before, they will again.)
 
Looks like the exact same DorkProp that came out 30 years ago. Someone got the type cert for cheap and decided to “disrupt” the industry.
There are some improvements. 40 seats, upgraded avionics, and allegedly upgraded engines. The old 328 is still a better performer than the newest ATR, I’m sure the eco version will be solid as well.
 
I’ve seen a couple of the C-146s down around Eglin. All I was told was that they went “to South America a lot”. Kinda like the all white L-100s that we fueled at CEW.
They are some of the biggest D bags as far as over inflated sense of mission swoopyness.

Nothing they do is actually tactical capability, it’s out of political sensitivities for a deliberate attempt at discretion.
 
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They are some of the biggest D bags as far as over inflated sense of mission swoopyness.

Nothing they do is actually tactical capability’s, it’s out of political sensitivities for a deliberate attempt at discretion.
As per previous threads, all I can personally verify is that they were about as stealthy as a Vaudeville show manned exclusively by Bald Eagles, the times I ran across them. The thing parks, and then it's like a clown car of suspiciously fit 25 year olds piling out carrying enormous Pelican cases and (as you point out) wearing Tacticool versions of Business Friday Casual.
 
As per previous threads, all I can personally verify is that they were about as stealthy as a Vaudeville show manned exclusively by Bald Eagles, the times I ran across them. The thing parks, and then it's like a clown car of suspiciously fit 25 year olds piling out carrying enormous Pelican cases and (as you point out) wearing Tacticool versions of Business Friday Casual.
Bros were up in anchorage a bunch when I used to fly up there
 
The irony of the 328s fall out of favor, is that the Air Force purchased it specifically to be a low visibility tactical air movement capability.

It’s built on the inside with bus style seats so you can pack an entire SF ODA team in it with their big boxes of kit and fly into an airport where you don’t part an airplane that screams “US Air Force is here!”

Now that it doesn’t blend, it’s effectively doing exactly that because nobody is fooled by the no livery plane full of guys that all shop at 5.11 and Eddie Bauer.

One of my friends flew a G5 for the USAF with a corporate paint scheme and a “November” registration, in plain clothes, few seats and a lot of cargo straps.

Interesting stories he had.
 
Guess I'll be the outlier and say that I hated the Dornier. I flew it as an FO for PSA for a while post 9/11 and was not impressed.

The plastic dash was velcroed on. As the glue decayed in the heat, eventually pieces of the dash would fall off on the takeoff roll.

The thrust reverse was really tough to get unless your pinky fingers were ridiculously strong. And if you didn't use them, the brakes overheated easy.

Tiny rudder.

The toilet flush motor had its own alternator that didn't work until the prop was out of feather... which meant it wouldn't flush on the ground. I'm sure you see the issue.

That said, it was fast and the Primus 2000 was nice.
 
One of my friends flew a G5 for the USAF with a corporate paint scheme and a “November” registration, in plain clothes, few seats and a lot of cargo straps.

Interesting stories he had.

If you ever meet or interview somebody who has CASA212 and F-whatever on the same resume just know that guy has seen some stuff… and it was probably in Africa.
 
If you ever meet or interview somebody who has CASA212 and F-whatever on the same resume just know that guy has seen some stuff… and it was probably in Africa.

A former co-worker of mine has a collection of type ratings that sticks out. Not CASA212 but similar turboprops and helicopters.

"I see on your resume you flew the A, B & C. How did you get into that sort of flying?"

"We did some stuff, in places. You know. How about BBQ for lunch?"

"Oh, okay."
 
Guess I'll be the outlier and say that I hated the Dornier. I flew it as an FO for PSA for a while post 9/11 and was not impressed.

The plastic dash was velcroed on. As the glue decayed in the heat, eventually pieces of the dash would fall off on the takeoff roll.

The thrust reverse was really tough to get unless your pinky fingers were ridiculously strong. And if you didn't use them, the brakes overheated easy.

Tiny rudder.

The toilet flush motor had its own alternator that didn't work until the prop was out of feather... which meant it wouldn't flush on the ground. I'm sure you see the issue.

That said, it was fast and the Primus 2000 was nice.
I seem to remember some ridiculous cockpit door window cover.

Also, maybe "plastic dash" is a good name for it? (Plastic Dh8)
 
A former co-worker of mine has a collection of type ratings that sticks out. Not CASA212 but similar turboprops and helicopters.

"I see on your resume you flew the A, B & C. How did you get into that sort of flying?"

"We did some stuff, in places. You know. How about BBQ for lunch?"

"Oh, okay."
My last boss was qualified in 17 different aircraft…. The Army doesn’t officially own that many aircraft types.
 
Can I interest you in a Brazilian, Sir?
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Guess I'll be the outlier and say that I hated the Dornier. I flew it as an FO for PSA for a while post 9/11 and was not impressed.

The plastic dash was velcroed on. As the glue decayed in the heat, eventually pieces of the dash would fall off on the takeoff roll.

The thrust reverse was really tough to get unless your pinky fingers were ridiculously strong. And if you didn't use them, the brakes overheated easy.

Tiny rudder.

The toilet flush motor had its own alternator that didn't work until the prop was out of feather... which meant it wouldn't flush on the ground. I'm sure you see the issue.

That said, it was fast and the Primus 2000 was nice.

Airplanes can run the gambit, even the same type. At PDT, we had Dash-8s starting with serial number 6 on up. Dickie Henson didn't trust electronics or AHARS, so no EFIS and it had a standby gyro system. The older serials were miserable, with almost no usable airflow to the cockpit, and that was even assuming the ACM was operating at it's peak. We also had some of the last serial -100s, and while they had finally sorta, kinda fixed the cockpit airflow issue, it was still a slow, lumbering beast in the sweltering southeast, although we had APUs and a pretty decent RNAV.

The -200s were what the -100s should have been all along, at least for the hot south. Better ACM, better hydraulic system, more blow, and more go.
 
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