Don't Pee On Kids
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Murdoughnut
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The law rarely otherwise seems to let people off of the hook because they were drunk. Lose control of your car, kill a kid on a bike, and the worst that happens is you get sued and you feel horrible the rest of your life. Do it while drunk and depending on how well connected you are, you're looking at 5+ years.
I'm not saying he should have to register as a sex offender. My complaint is simply that there are a lot of registered sex offenders who've done far less.
amjon
Pilot and A Half (for now
I would think the threat of a future attack would be greater on someone that has child porn on their computer (which they more than likely use for gratification) than someone who is drunk urinating and being oblivious to what is around them.
Murdoughnut
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You're probably right - although there's something to be said for charging/sentencing someone for the crime they actually commit, versus the crime they might commit. We can't give a DWI charge to someone who commits public intoxication simply because, statistically, they're likely to also drink and drive.
The primary function of our justice system today is to generate revenue for those who work in it.
For the lawyers that means billable hours.
For the judges that means job security and a lifetime pension.
For the department of corrections that means an elaborate empire to manage and operate.
Everything else is below the above 3 points; and in the big picture do not really matter.
If you can't understand that you will become very frustrated with the system and not understand why it does the things it does. Once you do understand it everything makes perfect sense.
The guy that took the piss has now made himself the revenue generation device for several people. They love guys like him.
For the lawyers that means billable hours.
For the judges that means job security and a lifetime pension.
For the department of corrections that means an elaborate empire to manage and operate.
Everything else is below the above 3 points; and in the big picture do not really matter.
If you can't understand that you will become very frustrated with the system and not understand why it does the things it does. Once you do understand it everything makes perfect sense.
The guy that took the piss has now made himself the revenue generation device for several people. They love guys like him.
Apophis
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A better analogy would be intentionally targeting a kid on his bike with your car (murder), vice accidentally doing so while drunk. Both are crimes; one is deliberate, and the other isn't. Both deserve punishment.
I didn't say he shouldn't be punished, however, this talk about becoming a registered sex offender is nonsense.
Cessna414JJB
Unknown Member
What a freaking joke: We must have national debt issues - or maybe another load of chemtrails is about to be dropped?
U.S. skier loses Olympic shot after peeing incident on plane
Sandy (Robert) Vietze earned the nation's ire this week for peeing on a sleeping 11-year-old girl while aboard a JetBlue flight -- he was drunk and failed to make it to the bathroom on time. Today, the 18-year-old lost a shot to represent the nation in the 2014 Winter Olympic Games in Socchi, Russia.
Vietze had been nominated to the U.S. Development Alpine Ski Team for the 2011-12 season. But that was before he made headlines, horrifying the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Assn. A statement released by the association's executive vice president of athletics, Luke Bodensteiner, was terse and to the point:
The teen, who later said he'd had eight alcoholic beverages, reportedly offered up this excuse to law enforcement: "I was drunk, and I did not realize I was pissing on her leg." Vietze was taken into custody after the plane landed and was issued a federal summons for indecent exposure. There have been conflicting reports on whether further charges are pending.
Still to be determined: How did an 18-year-old get his mitts on eight drinks? And did he drink them aboard the plane, which was traveling between Portland and New York City, or in the airport?
What do you think about the U.S. ski team's actions? Is this too harsh a penalty? Or did Vietze forfeit his right to such an honor?
U.S. skier loses Olympic shot after peeing incident on plane
Sandy (Robert) Vietze earned the nation's ire this week for peeing on a sleeping 11-year-old girl while aboard a JetBlue flight -- he was drunk and failed to make it to the bathroom on time. Today, the 18-year-old lost a shot to represent the nation in the 2014 Winter Olympic Games in Socchi, Russia.
Vietze had been nominated to the U.S. Development Alpine Ski Team for the 2011-12 season. But that was before he made headlines, horrifying the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Assn. A statement released by the association's executive vice president of athletics, Luke Bodensteiner, was terse and to the point:
"Based on the information we have, Sandy Vietze is in violation of the USSA code of conduct and team agreement, and has been dismissed from the team."
The South Warren, Vt., youth was caught by the girl's father -- "midstream," as the New York Post put it -- as he returned from taking his other daughter to the bathroom. As you might imagine, the situation nearly came to blows.
The teen, who later said he'd had eight alcoholic beverages, reportedly offered up this excuse to law enforcement: "I was drunk, and I did not realize I was pissing on her leg." Vietze was taken into custody after the plane landed and was issued a federal summons for indecent exposure. There have been conflicting reports on whether further charges are pending.
Still to be determined: How did an 18-year-old get his mitts on eight drinks? And did he drink them aboard the plane, which was traveling between Portland and New York City, or in the airport?
What do you think about the U.S. ski team's actions? Is this too harsh a penalty? Or did Vietze forfeit his right to such an honor?
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
I don't disagree - I don't think he should register as a sex offender either. I've been on a soap box for awhile about sex crimes and sentencing. The vast, vast majority of sex crimes committed against children are never punished because they're done so by a close family member. The worst crimes, and perhaps the worst crime of all, are the animals who publish photos and videos of sex crimes against children. It's a truly unforgivable crime.
But for all the sex crimes against children, who do we lock away for life? Some loser who has photos on his computer? Someone who, for as sick as they, wasn't involved in the actual exploitation of a child? We're too lazy to dedicate the resources to go after the ones who commit sex crimes against children, so we take the punishments we would give them, and put them on some creep who had no effect on the actual crime occurring? That doesn't seem like justice.
As I've said before, having these photos should be a crime - no doubt. It should be punished - probably by jail time. But we have guys serving 200 year sentences because they were given 2-years per photo. The only equivalent I can think of is sentencing a pot user to death because the dealer who sold him the pot once killed a guy who was invading his turf.
I don't think the drunk should have to register ... but at the same time, I think his crime was far worse than some pervert serving 200-years because he gets off on sick, sick pictures.
OK - off my soapbox.
Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
Come on man, seriously? He is hardly defending child pornography or pornographers. He's just trying to put into context his opinion as to the seriousness of these crimes we were talking about.
I didn't read anything in his post that could be construed as defending those who create a market for the exploitation of children. He said that those who have these photos should receive a lesser sentence because they weren't involved in the actual making of the pictures themselves. He isn't saying that indulging oneself in these photos isn't a crime, or that having these photos isn't deserving of punishment.
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
Exactly. Creating a market for sexual assault of children, as bad as it is, is nowhere near the same as being the one in front of or behind the camera. Those are the guys who deserve life without parole (or, arguably, worse).
The reason we send these pervs with photos to jail for 200-years while the guys who actually commit the crimes in question go free is because the first time anyone questions our current tactics, he's branded a witch and automatically accused of being supportive of this type of behavior. That's a horrible thing for someone to accuse you of - and it's the reason why you'll never see any politician suggest we re-evaluate our war on child sexploitation. Of course that would also require that we stop marketing children as sex objects, and there's way, way too much money behind that. To me, the perv with naked kid photos on his computer is no worse than the corporation that sells sexually suggestive clothing to young girls.
pullup
Homewrecker
A young girl dressed suggestively is no way near kiddie porn. We are not taking about a young kid naked, we're talking about sexual ACTS on children. Oral, anal, vaginal. These kids are getting probed by strangers, some as young as a few months old, and the people who create the market by viewing/downloading should he given huge sentences. 200 years, no, but enough that his life changes ( along with counseling). Kiddie porn is not Kiddie Playboy, it is Kiddie German Hardcore.
fholbert
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Hold it! Girl's kin change jet pee-er story ... .Drunk Plane Pisser DID NOT Pee On Girl, Says Girl's Dad.
Some new details have emerged in the unusual urinary in-air incident involving a drunk teen skier and an unwitting 12-year-old girl. Okay, there's only one new detail about Robert "Sandy" Vietze's alleged pissing-while-in-a-passenger row on a JetBlue flight bound for JFK, but it's a big one: The girl's dad says she wasn't peed upon.
Drunken teen urinated on the floor, not on girl during plane ride, Beaverton family says
Some new details have emerged in the unusual urinary in-air incident involving a drunk teen skier and an unwitting 12-year-old girl. Okay, there's only one new detail about Robert "Sandy" Vietze's alleged pissing-while-in-a-passenger row on a JetBlue flight bound for JFK, but it's a big one: The girl's dad says she wasn't peed upon.
Drunken teen urinated on the floor, not on girl during plane ride, Beaverton family says
Murdoughnut
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No, you're right - it's not the same. But I don't think we should be so surprised that young girls are sexually assaulted in our country since we've spent so much time treating them as sex objects. So many men make comments about under 18 celebrities, such as Miley Cyrus back in the day. Comments like "I'd hit that" or "I can't wait until she's 18". That's apparently ok, but when the girl isn't a celebrity, it's then sick and gross? It should be sick and gross regardless. Truth is, we have little respect for women in our culture in general, and not much more for female children.
I'd be willing to bet you that over half of the women you know today were sexually abused in some way at some point in their lives - probably as a child. Do it, ask them. Every woman I've dated has communicated a similar story. The problem is far, far, far worse than some idiots with a computer. It's the father, uncle, or neighbors who gets away with it because the child is too scared to speak up that really makes my blood boil.
I have a in-law family member right now that's been accused of inappropriately touching a female family member. It's caused a major rift in the family, with half shunning the girl and her parents. But based on stories told by yet another family member from years prior, there's every reason to believe the girl is telling the truth. But I'm guessing that isn't making things on her and her family any easier.